r/antiwork Aug 07 '22 Gold 1 Press F 2 Silver 7 Wholesome 4 Helpful 8 Narwhal Salute 1

Work for McDonalds it is great income

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u/steff_x Aug 07 '22

Is food considered spending money?🤨

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u/aimed_4_the_head Aug 07 '22

You work for McDonald's, your food is the hour old happy meal you are allowed once per shift.

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u/BackgroundDish1579 Aug 07 '22

Ok, then where is the budget for Pepto, Tums, and newer, roomier clothing?

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u/skycaptain201 Aug 07 '22

That's the $20 for health insurance. /s

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u/MightySamMcClain Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

I went on the government website to look for healthcare and after filling out forms for 2hrs the cheapest crappy insurance was almost 400 a month, so i don't have insurance

*and it's funny how they put the second job as the lesser income

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u/NinjaGrizzlyBear Aug 07 '22

I work nights as security at a club, and I just applied for a day job so I could finally get health benefits after almost 3 years... they gave me a supervisor role, which is great!

But it's part time. No full benefits.

I have 9yrs of experience as an engineer. My job prospects are supposedly excellent in my industry but I'm in this weird age group that I'm too expensive for a new graduate position and not old enough for a senior role in large companies.

But apparently I'm old enough to manage a car parts store lol.

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u/MightySamMcClain Aug 07 '22

My friend has been here on a student visa so he has to work for the school doing research or whatever, now he has 2 PhD's and now that he can get a work visa noone will hire him bc he's over qualified or they think he's applying as a fill gap to leave in the future for a better position. It's weird how that works

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u/NinjaGrizzlyBear Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

That's the word I keep hearing as well...I'm a chemical and petroleum engineer. I got laid off twice during the first two years of the pandemic...the second time they simply said I was good at my job but they couldn't justify my 6 figure salary anymore because they lost all the clients they hired me for before I actually started. I guess they thought having somebody with my skill set on staff would increase their chances of winning the bids but I'm sitting here thinking why would you even hire me before securing the work?My severance package paperwork actually said "lack of work". I literally told them I'd take a pay cut because this was a nice WFH deal (I'm caretaking for my elderly mom that has Alzheimer's so it was also safer for her....still haven't gotten COVID, woohoo!) But they still let me go.

I ended up starting my own independent consultancy (1099 work basically) and have a couple reliable clients but the work is so inconsistent that I decided to get these other jobs to make ends meet. Like one month I could make $12,000 for 80hrs of work but there's nothing the next 3-4 months...It's not economically feasible for me at 32yo with student loans, etc. Now I'm trying to get back into industry for a W2 job and my resume and experience is so broad that recruiter and employer feedback is that I'm overqualified.

It definitely is a weird world right now, it seems like every time I get on social media like LinkedIn everybody is just finding whatever job they can and celebrating it for likes...so I just got off it except for job searching. That place is getting just as absurd as Facebook, which I also stopped using except for the messenger lol.

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u/MightySamMcClain Aug 07 '22

What i do is just omit a lot of the skills that aren't relevant to the position and focus on what exactly you can do that they need and tell them those exact things are all you have done for many years. They are looking for something specific, so give them that and only that

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u/HayMomWatchThis Aug 07 '22

$0 heating? So just freeze to death in winter?

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u/ClayyCorn Aug 07 '22

I worked at McDonald's in high school, you're not too far off. They literally give you a three dollar daily allowance for food and if you go over you pay for the whole meal

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u/Brilliant-Chip-1751 Aug 07 '22

THREE DOLLARS? That's like what, a pack of gum or maybe 5 chicken nugget and a drink?

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u/theonetheonlymac Aug 07 '22

Come on guys they are above min wage by a dollar. Cut them some slack they have to pay bills too. It's hard enough to afford their 6th mortgage payment.

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u/Lketty Aug 07 '22

Maybe that falls under “other?” Which I guess includes gas money. And medications. Toilet paper. Soap. Tooth paste. The odd burnt out lightbulb. Sun screen. Better plan ahead so you don’t run out of any household staples and need gas in the same month, otherwise I guess you ain’t eating even with two jobs.

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u/SmilingVamp SocDem Aug 07 '22

The place that sells food forgot workers are people and people need food to survive.

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u/Bokth Aug 07 '22

Visa not looking like very convincing finance people either

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u/scoogy Aug 07 '22

Visa needs you in debt so they can charge 19.9% interest

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u/ovalpotency Aug 07 '22

26.9%, because you're poor

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u/kmj420 Aug 07 '22

It sure is expensive to be poor!

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u/18voltbattery Aug 07 '22

And gas for your car

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u/crazyike Aug 07 '22

An underrated expense, I am spending about $250 a month at the moment in gas. (Not in US though)

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u/18voltbattery Aug 07 '22

Lots of their budget seems to be wishful thinking and intentional omissions

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u/piles_of_SSRIs Aug 07 '22

Like beer and weed money to help cope with your shitty job

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u/Pawlewalnuts Aug 07 '22

Fucking health insurance is $20. When was this done 1987.

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u/scolin88 Aug 07 '22

What about actually having to use the health insurance... haha.

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u/Fresh-Turtle-Meat Aug 07 '22 Silver

That’s where your $100 savings comes in to save the day!

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u/strel1337 Aug 07 '22

And $0 on heating (must live in Hawaii for this to work)

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u/fluffeekat Aug 07 '22

Not to mention water. Idk about other states, but I have to pay for my water usage.

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u/Ladymysterie Aug 07 '22

In Texas you pay double for that privilege

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u/fluffeekat Aug 07 '22

Funnily enough I do live in Texas. Our water bill was $150 last month

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u/Audisans Aug 07 '22

I lived in AZ a few years ago and we paid a flat $40/m for water. ARIZONA.

Texas? $150/m and it continues to go up.

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u/oniontomatocrouton Aug 07 '22

I'm in California. I pay $80 in fees before I use a drop of water. The fees include an adjustment for conservation of water. Shortly after they introduced that particular fee, they stopped itemizing the fees on the monthly bills.

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u/ReadAllAboutIt92 Aug 07 '22

Jesus, in the U.K. I just got my first half yearly water bill, it was £29.50. For 6 months.

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u/Camarokerie Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Having been to a few states: Hawaii is most likely the only state you can live in where you wouldn't need to use AC or heating.

Edit: as a current Florida resident, you absolutely need AC or you'll die. You can skip the heat tho

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u/littleMAS Aug 07 '22

Not with $600/month rent, a tent costs more.

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u/Atiggerx33 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

How much is rent in Hawaii? Is it worse than NY?

Where I live $600 a month will rent you a room out of a trap house with used needles all over the lawn. There will be cockroaches, there will be moldy dishes in the sink, the toilet will be stained brown.

Honestly a tent and a public restroom might be preferable, at least someone cleans the public restroom once in a while.

Edit: There is a big difference between "renting a one bedroom" and "renting a room" guys. Even a very small one bedroom is generally a minimum of 750 square feet... No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking you're renting 25-40 square feet of space and are sharing a communal bathroom, kitchen, and living room with 6 heroin addicts.

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u/JohnnyRelentless Aug 07 '22

Can you be more specific? How many used needles do you get per month for that price?

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u/PlaidBastard Aug 07 '22

You have GOT to find a good needle guy if you're going to make a group living situation like that work. Ideally a disgruntled hospital worker played by a celebrated stand-up comic or character actor who always wanted a bit role on the show. I mean, in your perfectly normal life.

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u/PlaidBastard Aug 07 '22

Patton Oswalt, bitter that he moved to Hawaii, dream job in his field in paradise, only to be stuck working 80 hour weeks through the pandemic, is who I'm picturing in the role.

In season 2, he develops a pineapple allergy and tries drowning himself in the Pacific, only to be rescued by an extremely amorous dolphin.

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u/Unagrueable Aug 07 '22

Where I live it’s 1200 for 1 bed appt no utilities 7 people doing blow and heroine in the community living room

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u/modelgado Aug 07 '22

well if they can afford blow I'd say they're doing great tbh

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u/DanfromCalgary Aug 07 '22

In my experience people blowing all thier money on blow are not paramounts of financial literacy

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u/AintEverLucky Aug 07 '22

But then good fucken luck with that $600 rent... if they mean $600 a week they should say so 😆 🤣 😂

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u/197708156EQUJ5 Aug 07 '22

Lived in Hawaii for 2 years. 1) yes, in fact you do need AC in a lot of areas (the place I lived sure needed it), 2) ok let’s assume you don’t need AC, you ain’t finding a spot to live in Hawaii for that little ($600)

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u/starkmephany Aug 07 '22

You couldn't even get lunch for one for $27 though.

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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Aug 07 '22

Spam and Rice at the ABC I guess

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u/advamputee Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

This is true. Burger, fries and a drink at 5 guys is like $28. The “Value menu” at McDonalds starts at $7. Hawaii is insanely expensive.

Edit: those are prices I remember from when I lived there in 2016. I imagine it’s gotten worse since COVID.

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u/new_account-who-dis Aug 07 '22

to be fair, im pretty sure a meal at 5 guys is $28 anywhere

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

Yep going through this now. Hospital is charging me 397 (after insurance) for me to come in and have a dr look at me for 2 seconds and go “stitches look good, keep taking the antibiotics”

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u/MelBB2011 Aug 07 '22

The hospital charged me 200 after insurance for looking at my baby’s head for 5 mins and giving her 2.5 ml of Tylenol.

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

Insanity. They charged me 1500 dollars for “other diagnostic exams”. Now keep in mind I got a separate bill for the doctors time. Which was more reasonable at 30 dollars. This 1500 dollars is charged from the hospital and I’m scratching my head trying to figure out what the duck they are possibly charging me for. They didn’t even put me in a room, just a chair in the hallway. Soo unless the chair costs 1500 dollars to sit in, I’m extremely confused. I’m disputing the charge btw.

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u/Beamarchionesse Aug 07 '22

Ask for an itemized receipt of services. That tends to knock some of it off because they realize you're going to call bullshit on half of it.

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

This is what I’m doing now. Thank you.

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u/Beamarchionesse Aug 07 '22

I figured you knew already, but just in case you didn't.

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u/magicgiraffle Aug 07 '22

Had to take my husband for stitches once. The bill came and they charged us $85 for the metal instrument tray. We didn't even get to keep it!

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u/Beamarchionesse Aug 07 '22

One of my aunts spent twenty years as an ER nurse before going to a private clinic. She's had to stitch all of us up in the kitchen more than once over the years. She's got no bedside manner ["and what did we fucking learn?" is a frequently asked question] but it's cheap.

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u/hcredit Aug 07 '22

They still have the balls to change for things like 50.00 for a disposable razor or toothbrush, and then say they are losing money while paying their top admin 400k

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u/Beamarchionesse Aug 07 '22

Same thing that seems to happen in schools. They aren't given any money for school supplies or bathroom doors that close, but damn if the school board doesn't make sure there's enough allocated to pay the football coach a competitive salary.

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u/oo-mox83 Aug 07 '22

You must live in Texas! The town up the road from where I live, back in the early 2000s, laid off all but two librarians for the district- 8 elementary schools, 4 middle schools, and two high schools- and then astro turfed the football stadium. High school football coaches were making six figures while math and science and language teachers had to mow yards over the summer to make ends meet. Fuuuuuuuuuuck all that.

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u/MelBB2011 Aug 07 '22

They really get creative on the description of their billing!
The same hospital that I went to won’t see us anymore because the insurance I pay 360 a month for isn’t paying them enough, they explained in a letter (also all of dr offices under that company as well) it’s the only hospital in our town lol. I will need to drive 45ish minutes to an in network hospital now.

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

I’ll never understand how people defend this nightmare of a system.

They didn’t even itemize my bill. So now I’m waiting for that to come in the mail

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u/Minute-Tale7444 Aug 07 '22

They’ll Never itemize your bill unless you ask them to

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

Yeah I had to do that. They’re mailing the itemized version now.

How is this legal? They just rip people off that don’t know the first bill is bs.

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u/Joopsman Aug 07 '22

There’s a book called “Never Pay the First Bill” that details how to fight the BS charges on your medical bills and negotiate to a lower total. Or you could just not pay it. They will eventually send it to collections. You’ll get lots of phone calls and letters but your credit score isn’t as badly hurt by medical bills as other debt.

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u/ProudChoferesClaseB Aug 07 '22

fuck the politicians who passed "certificate of need" laws.

they leave us in situations like this, where the only hospital in town gets greedy, and there are no other nearby options....

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u/Far_Association_2607 Aug 07 '22

I've got 2 examples. Doctor charged my husband 300 to remove a deep splinter. The doctor couldn't find it. Later my husband extracted it himself, called the doctor, and said, "When I don't do my job I don't get paid" lol. No bill.

The second example was to correct Pyloric Stenosis on our 1 month old baby. They botched it and perforated his duodenum. He was in surgery for 6 hours. Thirty minutes later, after running our insurance, the social worker for the hospital asked us how we intended to pay. We said we didn't intend to pay any balance due to the surgeons fuck up and to boot they would cover our meals at the cafeteria while our baby laid in the NICU for 2 weeks. We never got a bill.

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u/daysinnroom203 Aug 07 '22

I really hate America. I used to love my country, but now I’m full of shame and rage.

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u/ironboy32 Aug 07 '22

America, the place where travelling to another country for healthcare is more viable than staying for healthcare

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u/Iniobius Aug 07 '22

You have a great country in many ways but health care I cannot understand. I live in Portugal. Last February I had a pain in my lower right side stomach. Did a videocall with a doctor he told me to go straight to the ER. Went, had blood tests, doctors exam and an MRI to discover it was appendicitis. Was admitted, had surgery a few hours later, 1 more day in recovery and then came home.

I paid nothing. At all.

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u/Tyl3rt Aug 07 '22

Yeah meanwhile in the US if you don’t have private health insurance or can’t afford your deductible you have to wait until that shit bursts before they’ll prioritize you for emergency surgery.

Hell there’s even people who have to nurse their gallbladders because it’s not considered an emergency to remove it.

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u/Own-Stand5963 Aug 07 '22

Don't forget all the people who die from tooth infections.

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u/KrackenLeasing Aug 07 '22

If you get too sick to work, it'll cost you your insurance.

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u/-Pruples- Aug 07 '22

Last summer I had severe abdominal pain in my left side and went to the doctor for it. The doc ordered a CT scan, but insurance declined to pay for it. So now I've lived with severe abdominal pain for about a year. It's probably going to progress to a point where whatever it is becomes lethal/untreatable and kills me. Thanks, insurance!

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u/epsdelta74 Aug 07 '22

As it should be. We live in a society.

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u/Doggsleg Aug 07 '22

From an outside perspective, it’s shameful that your own country will fuck you like that

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u/deannevee Aug 07 '22

Off topic but….when did you have the surgery/stitches put in, and when did you go have them checked??

Most “repairs” have a 10 day post-op period where you can’t be charged for shit like that, but for really intense procedures it could be 90 days.

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

Oh holy shit is that true? I went back 2 days later at their request. Is there like a law or something I can look up or is there a term for this? Cause they sent me separate bills.

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u/satbaja Aug 07 '22

The doctor has to code the second visit as post op follow up. If you have good insurance there will be no co pay. I did this last week.

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u/nlhansen16 Aug 07 '22

I was charged $750 after insurance for a doctor to place a splint on my daughter’s broken finger. It took him 5 minutes. This did not include the the office visit, X-ray or supplies.

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u/FunSushi-638 Aug 07 '22

What about eating? Did they forget people need to eat?

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u/scolin88 Aug 07 '22

Your free meal at McDs of course!

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u/johnnyrockets527 Aug 07 '22

“Funny you should ask!”

-Visa, probably

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u/OmnipotentEntity Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

It was done in 2013. So it's still wildly unrealistic for the time period, but it's even worse now. And, of course, minimum wage hasn't been raised in the last 9 years.

I love how this Washington Post oped completely missed the point.

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u/RagingBillionbear Aug 07 '22

Democracy dies in the darkness.

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u/DBeumont Aug 07 '22

Democracy dies in the darkness.

After Bezos took over, that became a goal rather than a motto.

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u/Torakles Aug 07 '22

It's literally the price of one apple a day to keep the doctor away! Only insurance you'll ever need

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u/jonecapps Aug 07 '22

There's no room in the budget for apples!!!

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u/TimeDue2994 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

There is no food budget at all in the budget. Also no water and sewer but I guess when you rent a card board box for $600 outback of McDonald's you dont need showers or washing your clothes, you can just do that in their public washroom

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u/fishingismygame Aug 07 '22

I remember seeing this like 8 years ago. Still ridiculous then too

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u/Krennel_Archmandi Aug 07 '22

In my area at that income it's free, but you'll never find rent for that much

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u/Fluid-Phrase8748 Aug 07 '22

Ah, sharing a 2 bedroom with 4 people, driving a 20 year old car you have a 10 year loan on with 8 years to go. Splitting home and car insurance with those four house mates.....why are all the cost amounts wrong and completely made up.

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u/Askduds Aug 07 '22

You’re not driving the car, they didn’t include gas.

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u/BartZeroSix Aug 07 '22

That's in your $800. You don't deserve food. Only gas to go to work.

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u/HentaiExxxpert Aug 07 '22

Well if you work at MC Donald's maybe they will be so generous to give you 5 or 6 MC Nuggets to eat. So you can exclude food from the calculations

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u/Informal_Yesterday Aug 07 '22

Then you need the meds for your crippled health eating at mc Donald’s every day. Plus the cost of vitamins and minerals your missing.

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u/flyingbugz Aug 07 '22

No silly. We just need to be functional enough to keep the cogs turning for the corporate machine. We don’t need to be comfortably healthy.

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u/Weeble228 Aug 07 '22

"You can afford to live if you get a 2nd job that pays more and make up the math for everything else"

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u/mcsullysulkin Aug 07 '22

It's pretty much suggesting you work two full time jobs for less than $9 an hour. I'm still trying to figure out where taxes are calculated into income.

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

And when you’re allowed to sleep

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u/elppaenip Aug 07 '22

During the commute in your self-driving car, duh

Next you'll be asking silly questions like what to eat when a loaf of bread costs a month's salary

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u/einhorn_is_parkey Aug 07 '22

Self driving car wasn’t in the budget. I’m sure 12 dollars a month should cover it

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u/Daniellecarth Aug 07 '22

if you save $100 a month your kid might be able to buy one when you die.

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper Aug 07 '22

Ah, yes. That self-driving car I spend $150/mo on. Really a great purchase that one was.

I suppose it's electric, too, which is why I don't have to spend any money on gas.

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u/GeekChick85 Aug 07 '22

and how that person is supposed to sleep, do laundry, eat, or take care of any life necessities like doctor appointments, dentists, mental health, renewing licenses, doing taxes, etc, while working 80 hours a week?! Let alone have a freaking personal life, and or a family.

This is modern day slavery. Minimum wage has to be a livable wage, where 40 hours covers the costs to survive.

We already lost the single income family, now everyone is forced into daycares because of both parents having to work.

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u/dpalmade Aug 07 '22

Wel you don’t need to worry about eating because there is no budget for food.

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u/Mustbhacks Aug 07 '22

life necessities like doctor appointments, dentists, mental health,

The same way many of us do, don't.

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u/boxedcrackers Aug 07 '22

That's the problem with this generation, entitlement. Health insurance, "living wages " I need time off for fun blah blah blah. Back in my day we worked four jobs to make $1.34 a day, put 7 kids through college, never had time off or Health insurance and typically died on the work floor. And we didn't bitch and moan like you sugar princess do now. /s

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u/fuckmynewphone Aug 07 '22

I think they're assuming that both are part time jobs, as if that somehow makes this situation better. At $8.25/hour, you'd need 33 hours/week at the first job and 27 hours/week (ish) at the second job. Which still puts you over the the standard full time 40 hour week AND ignores the fact that most part time jobs expect you to have full time availability because it makes it easier for them to do scheduling. Absolutely fuck this plan, but I think whoever came up with it justified it by thinking "2 part time jobs = 1 full time job!" and didn't do any thinking beyond that

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u/Violet2393 Aug 07 '22

You also rarely control the hours you work when you work hourly so you can’t really make a budget that depends on you working a certain amount of hours every week.

Even at my last corporate job, creatives like writers and designers were paid hourly and they could cut your hours if it was slow. It made it super hard to budget when you didn’t actually know what your income would be for a month.

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u/SNRatio Aug 07 '22

You are actually being generous: they are saying this is net, so either the employee pays no taxes, or they need to work another ~15% more hours to cover all the taxes. So let's call it 65-70 hrs / week.

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u/Successful_Peanut812 Aug 07 '22 Helpful

Even after taxes, it takes ~250 hours to make $2060 at $8.25/hour (I could be missing something, I'm tired).

Visa and McDonalds are leaving out that the employee is working 60+ hours a week (unless they want to claim they're using a 5 week month in this garbage).

I haven't seen any comments below about how many hours are needed or how shitty the wage is, I think the prices/expenses were designed to distract and cause arguments.

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u/Viviaana Aug 07 '22

That’s why you’re not paying for heat since you’re never home lol

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u/Successful_Peanut812 Aug 07 '22

I could probably get rid of the cable then. It should be internet anyway. A VPN is under $5/month and pirated IPTV is under $20/month and has way more channels.

A raspberry pi is cheap, OSMC is free, Kodi add-ons take care of the rest.

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u/Viviaana Aug 07 '22

Why even have the house! Just work 24hr

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u/frenchy0104 Aug 07 '22

And since everyone pays taxes, it’s gotta be closer to 70+ hour weeks to net the $2060. Absolutely disgusting 🤢

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u/Successful_Peanut812 Aug 07 '22

Not to mention the commute time there and back for all the shifts. Although McDonalds could claim the 2nd job is across the street and the apartment/house is next door as they're already bending over backwards to make this seem feasible.

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u/frenchy0104 Aug 07 '22

Yeah, all around the entire budget is absolute garbage. No mention of a water bill. No mention of the gas for your car (so god forbid your second job be for Uber) No mention of groceries. I mean, is that what “other” is supposed to imply? Is that the line item I pay for my toilet paper out of? What about dental insurance?

And god for fucking bid you have a child… daycare for your 70+ hour work weeks is realllllly gonna add up… 🙃

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u/apersononreddit11 Aug 07 '22

Child? You were supposed to order the McAbortion

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u/Brilliant-Chip-1751 Aug 07 '22

I tried but the"other" category & my $20 insurance just don't cover it

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u/710AlpacaBowl Aug 07 '22

The only valid argument is how out of touch macdoe and visa are with reality. Or, oooor. How we go about boycotting these jackasses

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u/hiyer2 Aug 07 '22

lol you’d have to live in a hut in the woods to fully boycott visa. Literally hands in every pot.

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u/sabre_skills Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-sample-budget-is-actually-fine-2013-7

I found this older article defending it. Interesting read.

Edit: in the interest of fairness, I did my due diligence with a zillow search for rentals $600 and under. To my surprise, they DO exist. They're probably not in the best neighborhoods, and they might be the size of a walk in closet, but they do exist.

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u/nullable_ninja Aug 07 '22

"Food isn't a consistent expense" lol what

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u/sabre_skills Aug 07 '22

Maybe they're assuming the McDonald's franchisee offers free food to their employees.

(Spoiler: they don't)

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u/nullable_ninja Aug 07 '22

That is exactly what they are assuming lol. At the end of the article, "By the way, food costs will even be slightly reduced thanks to free meals that workers at many McDonald's get with every shift."

JoUrNAliSm!

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u/whatvee Aug 07 '22

Every shift? So once or twice a day you need to eat very unhealthy. That’s not going to cause any other problems whatsoever.

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u/fpcoffee Aug 07 '22

You don’t consistently need food, how hard is that to understand? /s

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u/blanktom9 Aug 07 '22

"McDonald's isn't saying that you need a second job to survive."

They're just saying you do if you work at McDonalds.

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u/JerryRiceOfOhio2 Aug 07 '22

Just read that, pretty comical. Must be hard to write articles like this when the boss gets paid by McDonald's to write it, and then some guy making minimum wage has to actually write it

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u/StoicFerret Aug 07 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

This is so wrong in so many ways. Who the fuck is only spending $600/month on rent? Even more ridiculous, who spends only $20/month on health insurance??

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u/Richard_Espanol Aug 07 '22

They're probably assuming you're so broke that you qualify for subsidized healthcare. But working 2 jobs would definitely put you over the income level.

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u/PO0tyTng Aug 07 '22

Yeah you’d probably make more money NOT working a second job and getting subsidized health care

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u/Rich_Hedberg Aug 07 '22

And this is the downside of means testing instead of just making Healthcare public.

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u/zytherian Aug 07 '22

Also the downside of thresholds for how much income you can make to qualify for govt aid not being update since the 70s despite inflation going through the roof.

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u/Domeil Aug 07 '22 Defeated

It's also glaring what we choose to means test. For example, the $1,600 Covid-19 stimulus was means tested while neither the $10,000,000 Paycheck Protection Loans, nor the forgiveness thereof, was.

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u/Deadofnight109 Aug 07 '22

The welfare cliff is Real. Trying to make more money to better your situation? Get a raise or promotion? Well now you make too much to qualify and youre actually at a net loss now from where you were.....

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u/jld2k6 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

I was on Medicaid before getting my current job which disqualifies me and after a year and a half I'm 3k in healthcare debt thanks to breaking my foot. I chose a plan with a $2800 deductible where all medical care besides prescriptions are free once you hit it. I have that to thank for not being a shit ton more in debt, it cost over 10k for a simple fracture that required a boot for 3 months with no surgery or anything needed. I can't imagine how much worse if would be if I chose any other plan besides the most expensive one just to be safe, and this is considered great healthcare compared to the average, lots of people have 10k deductibles

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u/wolfpackalpha Aug 07 '22

It's crazy to me how little money you have to make to qualify for social programs like food stamps. In college I applied for them because, between school and working part time, I was having trouble making ends meet. But with my $11/ hour job at about 20 hours per week, I made too much money to qualify.

Which is absurd to me given that $11/ hour where I lived wasn't even that much money (the local target was paying $15/ hour), and I was only working part time.

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u/dirty6chambers Aug 07 '22

Ha when I was going to a methadone clinic for heroin addiction, I was also in college…. I wasn’t working and luckily methadone is considering a “health sustaining medication” so you can get state-funded Medicaid/Medicare (whichever one it is) health insurance to cover it assuming you don’t make too much money

HOWEVER, because I was in college they wouldn’t give it to me. I straight up asked them, so if I wasn’t in college, I would be approved? And they said yes.

That just shows how fucked and backwards this country and system is. Someone who was actually trying to fix their life and make something out of it with a better education, they can’t help…. But if I was a deadbeat sitting at home doing absolutely nothing, they would gladly help

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u/iphijenneia Aug 07 '22

When I was 23 and facing homelessness, the lady I talked to about housing assistance straight up said, "if you were pregnant or had a child, we could accept you," and I said, "so because I have 2 minimum wage jobs, and don't have any dependents for the state to pay Medicaid, SNAP, WIC, and TANF, for, you can't help me find a reduced-rent place to live?" "That's right."

Fortunately I got a family member to take me in for a few years before I got on my feet again. But that's how I realized the system was broken.

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u/foxglove0326 Aug 07 '22

Yep, in my state, if you’re in college you have to have a job and be working 20+ hours/wk to even qualify for food stamps.

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u/CandyBoBandDandy Aug 07 '22

Even subsidized health care was like $80 a month

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u/love_more88 Aug 07 '22

Mine was $150 one year smh. Also notice that groceries/ food aren't even on the list at all! Or gasoline. Household/ cleaning/ personal care items are also notably absent. And the $100 in "other" isn't covering all that.

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u/kcw05 Aug 07 '22

Oh, you consider those things in part of your bills & budget? Silly love_more, all the best money managers I know file unnecessary expenses like groceries and gas under "spending money." Those things aren't even necessary, so just pull a little bit out of your "lil treat for me" envelope and splurge on yourself once in a while!

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u/love_more88 Aug 07 '22

What was I thinking?? Lol.

But really, this is so infuriating! Savings is $1200 a year. Cumulatively that doesn't even cover regular car maintenance, I would think. Let alone any real emergency. And apparently they want you to work until you just keel over dead on the job, because this budget could never facilitate paying into a retirement account.

I would love to see their profit margin over the years. Because burgers used to cost like $ 0.25 and are now $ 3-5. But salaries have not multiplied at anywhere near that rate. Even with the increase of business and raw material costs I would imagine they've increased profit margins significantly.

Reddit geniuses- who's got the maths? Lol

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u/Im_Ashe_Man Aug 07 '22

I think the $20 a month health insurance plan is a bottle of Tylenol and some Band-Aids.

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u/SnowflakeSorcerer Aug 07 '22

Maybe some off brand acetaminophen, but u ain’t getting Tylenol for $20

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u/ChildOf1970 For now working to live, never living to work Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

The question should be, why in any so called modern society does anyone have to pay anything for healthcare?

Edit: for fuck sakes. This should be obvious but for the hard of understanding, yes healthcare has to be paid for. This is no different from the armed forces, the police force, or the fire department. Nobody spends time complaining about those or how they should have a choice.

Edit 2: It costs less per capita (per person for the stupid) for national healthcare than for private healthcare. Those bitching bout paying for others are doing that by paying for private health insurance, they would pay for others less if it was national health cover like has been proven for almost 100 years in the actual developed nations.

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u/uptwolait Aug 07 '22

That "future world" exhibit or whatever it was called at Disney World back in the 70's told me that by the 21st century we would all be living lives of luxury and ease thanks to increasing levels of technology and modernization. I guess ol' Walt didn't factor in the power of wealth being sucked to the top 1%.

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u/Robot_Basilisk Aug 07 '22

Automation engineer here: Companies could absolutely be scheduling more workers fewer hours with no reduction in pay because the machines improve productivity enough that they still pay for themselves without laying human workers off. It just lengthens the payoff timeline.

I think about that a lot lately. When my company is automating a warehouse we track things like the reduction in injuries and deaths, but we don't follow up and see how many people the company lays off once they have a high-speed robotic arm doing a job that used to take 3 humans.

Those companies could all shift those three humans to another job, reduce hours for them and the current people doing the job, keep wages the same, and still turn a profit. They just profit more from laying off the humans that got replaced and it's easier for most companies to abuse and exploit a few people for 40+ hours per week than to manage more people working 21 hours per week, even if the latter is better for shift coverage.

My dream is to either launch my own business that uses automation in this way or to start a co-op where as much labor as possible is automated. Or to build Skynet. We'll see how the 2024 election goes.

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u/uptwolait Aug 07 '22

RemindME! 2 years "Submit resume to work for /u/Robot_Basilisk"

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u/StoicFerret Aug 07 '22

Agreed. And also, why does anyone need to work two jobs just to survive?

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u/thatblondeguy_ Aug 07 '22

Why does someone have to work 2 jobs? They kinda prove the point with that first assumption that someone has to work not one but two jobs just to survive, so it's actually not possible to live on their shitty wage

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u/24-Hour-Hate Aug 07 '22

Well, places like McDonalds, as a practical matter, also believe that because their "flexible" scheduling makes it quite difficult for most people to have a second job and they don't give full time hours either. Part time work, full time availability. It's one of the reasons that in my area they always seem to be hiring. They don't pay enough or give enough hours for most people to actually work there. Similar for other fast food.

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u/SmilingVamp SocDem Aug 07 '22

That's the trick, they won't because this budget doesn't include food!

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u/Least-Glove4262 Aug 07 '22

That’s what I was wondering. I like/need to eat to be able to work the two jobs

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u/SmilingVamp SocDem Aug 07 '22

Honest mistake, I'm sure. It's not like this was written by a place that sells food or something. 😂

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u/elenchusis Aug 07 '22

Think of how much McFood you can on $27/day with the employee discount! /s

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u/Sly3n Aug 07 '22

Or gas for the car.

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u/SajraJay Aug 07 '22

Premiums+deductible +copay. It is a small fortune

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u/ChildOf1970 For now working to live, never living to work Aug 07 '22

In most other developed nations, this is simply not a thing. I mean you can pay more for private cover and maybe be seen faster, but everyone gets healthcare and nobody worries about moving jobs and not being covered if they change jobs.

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u/TheBowlofBeans Aug 07 '22

Multiple times in my life I'll

quit a job

go without insurance until I find a new job

get a new job through a recruiting agency

maybe get insurance through the the recruiter after 2-3 months

Lose insurance after I go full time with the actual company

Get a different insurance after 2-3 months

I've had to time physicals and dental appointments based around these job hops. My network changes every time so I cant always see the same doctors I like. It's the dumbest fucking system

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u/Embarrassed-Park-410 Aug 07 '22

The Health Insurance McDonald’s offers isn’t even $20 a month. This is a joke. Not literally a joke. But it’s a fucking joke.

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u/fandanvan Aug 07 '22

600 for rent ? Where living in 1999.

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u/AngryDrnkBureaucrat Aug 07 '22

With 3 roommates

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u/mackinoncougars Aug 07 '22

Last time I had 2 room mates my rent was still $800. And that was in 2015, rent has gone up like 30%.

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u/fandanvan Aug 07 '22

Yeah 600 is for a cheap place, (basically not near a major city with heavy commute). But I would say even in 1999 2.5k for NYC apartment average easily.

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u/TylerTheSnakeKeeper Aug 07 '22

I live in Colorado Springs rent is 1460$ internet bundled in utilities not so bundled in. The appartment is 700 square ft, falling apart and the office refuses to make "non-emergency" repairs due to "short staff", furthermore all the amenities are behind a scan card that we still haven't received after 4 months! Burn the rich.

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u/gooberdaisy Aug 07 '22

Yep. Add $400 more and you got Salt Lake City. You either have to live in hurricane or some place in the boondocks to get that rent.

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u/Brilliant-Chip-1751 Aug 07 '22

Hahahaha old trailers in hurricane are even going for 500k now

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u/BobBelcher2021 Aug 07 '22

George Costanza was paying $2300 in 1997.

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u/The-Ugly-One Aug 07 '22

I actually remember watching that with a friend from NYC at the time and he scoffed that that was way too low, even then.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker Aug 07 '22

In 1991 2 of my friends lived in a studio for $2100 a month in Hell’s Kitchen back when it wasn’t safe.

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u/Cardboardopinions Aug 07 '22

In 1999, in Williamsburg Brooklyn, one subway stop from Manhattan, I had a 1,000 sq ft loft for $800 a month. Today it would be $3,000-$5,000 a month.

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u/chris_ut Aug 07 '22

That was my mortgage payment on a house I bought in 2001

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u/Initial-Intern5154 Aug 07 '22

This was from 2013, but still.

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u/KittenLina Aug 07 '22

It's great until you realize rent is $2000.

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u/VisualVariety Aug 07 '22

Forget the expenses part - The biggest red flag is that the sample monthly budget provided presumably from your first job includes having to work a second job.

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u/alucardou Aug 07 '22

The biggest red flag to me is that with 30% taxes, which seems reasonable to me, you need to work 13 hour shifts. 7 Days a week. Every day. Until you die.

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u/FrisbeeFrisb Aug 07 '22

See? We don't need to pay you commoners any more than we already do. You can live on what we provide. See? Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to my mega yacht.

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u/Richard_Espanol Aug 07 '22

Ah yes. Work 80 hours a week and you too can afford to barely stay alive. What a country.

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u/Lastfleetadmiral Aug 07 '22

Bet that 20 doller health insurance covers a lot

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u/miguel-122 Aug 07 '22

$20 of Advil pills probably

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u/Lassitude1001 Aug 07 '22

So basically they need to pay double and then a bit more for heating. Who would have thought!

Where was this posted? I'm surprised it's not being flamed to shit if it's from McDonald's themselves.

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u/HumphreyGumphrey Aug 07 '22

This is from like 5yrs ago and they did get flamed for it back then, but everyone uses Visa and eats McDonald's so they didn't give a fuck

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u/ladyblackbelt2 Aug 07 '22

They forgot to put food on that list. So apparently you have to be cold and hungry to exist on minimum wage.

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u/SajraJay Aug 07 '22

This looks like a sample budget from 1992.

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u/Zeikuss Aug 07 '22

So in other words, it takes about 18 or 20 dollars per hour at about 40 per week to come out on top just a lil bit. Based on their calculations.

How thoughtful of them to expose their substandard pay so publicly.

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u/Global_Yam_8488 Aug 07 '22

who needs heat when you have cable

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u/Donutannoyme Aug 07 '22

Basically McDonald’s said: we know we pay you like shit, go get a second job.

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u/aliceswndrland Aug 07 '22

The car payment for my Civic was $150 back in 2002.

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u/Key_Coffee4941 Aug 07 '22

So just work a second job don’t live somewhere hot or cold, find some magical health insurance that’s only 20$ a month (must be some socialism or something). Only pay 100$ for car insurance and somehow get home insurance/renters insurance for free. r/selfawarewolves ? Why would they post this

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u/bizzle281 Aug 07 '22

TF kinda insurance u getting for 20 a month? Free bandsinds and first aid kits ?

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u/AnAspiringEverything Aug 07 '22

At $8.25 an hour, and 40 hours a week, 4 weeks a month, you get at 1320 before taxes. You're probably not making 1105 a month unless you're working over time or your taxes are less than 16%.

So the thought is that you should be working at least full time, and then get a second job that pays almost as much as your full time job?

Are you working the second job at 40 hrs a week, or is it paying better by the hour?

How the fuck does this get approved as something that might motivate people to apply?

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u/PastyDoughboy Aug 07 '22

With two jobs, you could be putting $100 into saving every month! You can bootstraps your way out of poverty in no time!

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u/Consistent-Chapter-8 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Even when this worksheet came out years ago, it was panned for the assumption that MCD workers needed 2 jobs. Since the expenses are actually far higher today, it would be a bad look for a MCD budget worksheet to have line items for "Income (3rd Job)" & "Income (4th Job)."

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u/shannonator96 Aug 07 '22

Just want to point out that I did the math and that’s around 55 hours per week at $8.25/hour between the two jobs. That’s fucking slavery. Also, what’s interesting is that there’s no food item in the budget.

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u/Kooky-Quit8226 Aug 07 '22

Health insurance for 20$ !?

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u/Zederikus Aug 07 '22

Even for 10 times that it would be way under

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