r/entertainment Aug 07 '22

John Leguizamo clarifies comments criticising James Franco playing Fidel Castro: “Latin exclusion in Hollywood is real! Don’t get it twisted! Long long history of it! And appropriation of our stories even longer!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/john-leguizamo-james-franco-fidel-castro-b2140117.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1659872274
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u/OopsyDoopsyMan Aug 07 '22 Silver Take My Energy

Havent ppl pointed out francos dad is from the same place as castros family?

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u/bitchwhohasnoname Aug 07 '22

And he literally looks just like Castro when he was younger, of course with the addition of the long beard

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u/Jindabyne1 Aug 07 '22

But come on, the guy has to double down or he’ll look like an idiot… wait.

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u/Jared72Marshall Aug 07 '22

Lol he played an italian in super mario brothers. But again, James Franco is a fucking sexual predator and shoudn't be hired for anything.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22 Bravo Grande!

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u/DicksOutBallsOut Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22 Helpful Timeless Beauty

James Franco is a fucking sexual predator and shoudn't be hired for anything.

YAAAS.

Franco denied typical protections to actresses filming nude scenes and had pressured them into uncomfortable situations.

...described an event in which Franco removed plastic guards from women’s genital regions while filming an orgy scene, then proceeded to simulate oral sex on them.

..while working on the unreleased film "The Long Home" with Franco in 2015, she was asked to appear in nude scenes without prior notification, and said that one actress who was also asked and refused was swiftly dismissed from the project.

...said that the acclaimed actor “would always make everybody think there were possible roles on the table if we were to perform sexual acts or take off our shirts" in his projects.

He started "teaching" classes on sex acting. He removed the vaginal guards for sex scenes. He forced those under him to perform while nude without any prior notification. He got rid of anyone who didn't want to go nude.

and then

Franco now claims his action were a result of his sex addiction which he developed while overcoming an alcohol addiction.

he blames it on addiction instead of owning up to the fact he was being a pos.

Oh yeah and he tried to fuck a 17 year old- someone young enough to be his daughter AFTER finding out she was 17.

Fuck james franco and whoever thought it was a good idea to hire him

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u/zoonose99 Aug 07 '22

I heard someone refer to it as a "casting studio," by analogy to the infamous "casting couch." A deeply gross dude.

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u/HockeyAnalynix Aug 07 '22 Silver

First he impersonates an Italian. Then he impersonates Rat #2 twice in the Dr. Doolittle series. He needs to stay in his lane.

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u/whaleoil_beef_hooked Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22 Wholesome

HIS NAME IS FRANCO. DOES NO ONE ELSE SEE THIS.

The name FRANCO has more relevance to the Spanish and Portuguese than probably ANY NAME IN HISTORY.

It's killing me. Literally killing me. That's one of the most important names in European history.

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u/tlm94 Aug 07 '22

THANK. YOU.

Franco only died in 1975!!!! (Rest in piss to that bastard, btw)

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u/postmodest Aug 07 '22

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

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u/vicshayne Aug 07 '22

I'm not sure people get your old SNL reference, but you've amused me because I watched that episode back in the 70s.

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u/jimonabike Aug 07 '22

Good to know I'm the only old enough to remember that gem from 75-76.

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u/Eagle4317 Aug 07 '22

Francisco Franco, the nationalist dictator who ruled Spain for 40 years. Hitler and Mussolini tried to rope him into their plots for expansion, but he mostly stayed out of it.

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u/Thrawndri Aug 07 '22

Tha fascist dictator.

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u/AgorophobicSpaceman Aug 07 '22

Francisco Franco, a Spanish general who led the Nationalist forces in overthrowing the Second Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War and thereafter ruled over Spain from 1939 to 1975 as a dictator, assuming the title Caudillo.

Castros Dad is from Spain, not Cuba. So it makes complete sense James Franco, who’s dad is from the same general area as Castros Dad, would play the role here.

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u/RockieK Aug 07 '22

I stayed in a squat with Franco’s granddaughter in Barcelona in the nineties. She was an ANTIFA anarchist. I stayed with them for a week. It was the best.

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u/dzigaboy Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

I met the great granddaughter of Juan Negrin Lopez* in a supermarket in San Francisco. We were each buying potatoes when a mouse** jumped up from the stack of said potatoes, and after the squeeling laughter and potatoes-flying-every-which-way died down, we got to chatting. She’s a wonderful person and we’re still friends to this day!

*prime minister of the government of the Second Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War. He was the last Loyalist premier of Spain (1937–1939), leading the Republican forces defeated by the Nationalists under General Francisco Franco.

** the mouse went into exile in Argentina.

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u/microgirlActual Aug 07 '22

Wikipedia says James Franco's dad is American-born, of Madeiran (a Portuguese island) descent, which is very much not "from the same general area as Castro's dad", who was from Galicia in Northern Spain, IIRC. Do you have a source saying differently? (since Wikipedia is hardly independently reliable either)

Even if Franco's dad was 100% Madeiran, born and raised (as opposed to just of Madeiran and Swedish heritage) that still wouldn't make him from Galicia (yes, I know mainland Portugal is to the south of Galicia, but even that would be like saying the Faroe Islands and Germany are the same, since the Faroe Islands belong to Denmark)

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u/gorillamutila Aug 07 '22

Ngl, there's a bit of sweet irony in a Franco playing a Castro.

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u/constantchaosclay Aug 07 '22

My husband has been screaming this to the walls for days now.

Tbf, you two are the only ones commenting on it that I’ve seen.

Lots of comments on his ancestors, how he looks like Castro, etc but not as many comments in the Franco name.

Not nearly enough comments on his gross sexually predatory history.

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u/PepsiStudent Aug 07 '22

At first I thought the whole thing was because of the sexual predation he had done at his school. After reading the articles confused me. Here I was thinking he was Latino and why that was the focus of why he shouldn't play that role.

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u/sideways_tampon Aug 07 '22

Yeah same over here, sooooo, his pervy ways have passed the statute of limitations of the public’s memories I suppose.

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u/InvariantInvert Aug 07 '22 Bravo Grande!

Don’t think it has for most people. Personally do not like or support Franco because of his history. But this convo has to do with the complaint from leguizamo. That Franco should not be cast as Castro because he is not Latino. Who is allowed to do or say what based on race or national origin? What places someone in one category or another? Is it what the person identifies with or what other people view them as?

Example: Obama is mixed, kenyan father and white mother but he is considered only black and Muslim by many because of his father. Though he himself has publicly identified as bi-racial and Christian.

Franco’s father is Portuguese, his mother is Jewish but Franco himself is considered white.

I think he should not be cast because of his own admissions to sexual acts with students in his acting school.

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u/NoWayJaques Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

People from Spain and Portugal are often considered white. To be Cuban is to be dialed into Spanish culture and native culture. It's an amalgamation of the two. Franco might be able to tap into a tiny amount of that, but certainly not much.

John Leguizamo is Colombian by birth and that doesn't make him significantly better at interpreting the motivations of a Cuban dictator or representing them on screen. Colombian history and culture is different.

It's all kind of irrelevant unless you pick an actual Cuban for the role.

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u/TILiamaTroll Aug 07 '22

My parents are from cuba so that is how I always identified myself. Recently discovered that cuba was just a pit stop on my dads side, as they were originally Jews from the Iberian peninsula fleeing the inquisition. I look white.

You probably don’t care at all about that, but I knew nothing about Franco’s lineage before reading your comment and now I’m wondering how common stories like mine are and people don’t even know it.

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u/ThisWillBeOnTheExam Aug 07 '22

Even a lot of folks from South America can be regarded as white.

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u/dannyisyoda Aug 07 '22

Yeah, the fact that Franco didn't experience Cuban culture like Castro did should in no way exclude him from the role. Like, cmon, that's the whole point of being a fucking actor, they act. Yes, having a personal connection to the culture you are portraying absolutely helps, but it isn't absolutely necessary for most actors. Franco looks the part, has common roots, and was picked by Castro's daughter, who the fucking film is about in the first place.

And saying that this is "Hollywood" doing this doesn't even make sense, this is an independent film, it's not like some big-wig suits did this.

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u/NorysStorys Aug 07 '22

Like I completely understand that Hollywood has a representation issue but when the seeming way to fix this is by having actors not…act and literally have to be only so many steps removed from the character or person at focus, doesn’t it kind of defeat the point of acting?

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u/dannyisyoda Aug 07 '22

My thoughts exactly.

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u/Nodebunny Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

imagine being Spanish and not being “dialed into” Spanish culture”, why did you even bring Portugal into this? nonsense. Dont fool yourself a great many Latinos in Latin America are dialed into their European heritage. People in Latin America don’t consider themselves brown they consider themselves white unless they are clearly of African or native descent. Cuba especially! You really have no idea what you’re talking about. Spanish-speaking does not automatically make you brown. Love, Puerto Rico.

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u/chris_ut Aug 07 '22

You may want to have your husband checked out by a mental health professional if he has been screaming the name Franco into the wall for over 48 hours.

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u/whaleoil_beef_hooked Aug 07 '22

James fucked up and should be investigated, these things should not be swept under the rug and he should be held accountable etc etc.

But if we are talking the context of finding literally the best person to play Castro....it would be more inaccurate to cast literally ANYBODY ELSE.

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u/ReporterOther2179 Aug 07 '22

And he’s not even a Communist!

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u/hoxxxxx Aug 07 '22

i had to look up what young Castro looked like, and wow yeah. he's going to nail the look.

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u/StacerStace Aug 07 '22

I immediately thought of Franco in Spain.

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u/dootdootplot Aug 07 '22

Wow I didn’t know Spain was a dictatorship up until the 70s.

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u/BongLeardDongLick Aug 07 '22

I mean, we’re talking about the same actor who complained there was no “LatinX” actors cast in the new Mario Bros movie. Ya know, the Italian plumbers? Yes, he’s mad they’re not “LatinX”.

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u/dalici0us Aug 07 '22

They were both from areas along the same lenght of border, just to specify. Not just both from the iberian peninsula.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

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u/MegatonDeathclaws Aug 07 '22

It’s not that he got the job, the argument is that Latin folks aren’t getting the jobs that a white guy gets.

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u/berlinbaer Aug 07 '22

if you've ever been there: very

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u/tjean5377 Aug 07 '22

Those of Portuguese descent DO NOT like being called hispanic. I live in an area with a huge Portuguese diaspora.

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u/tragedyisland28 Aug 07 '22

Makes sense because they’re not Spanish speaking people

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u/bamboo-harvester Aug 07 '22

Well of course, because “Hispanic” means Spanish-speaking.

But would we concede that Brazilians are Latino? They speak Portuguese.

It’s not always specifically about language spoken.

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u/eidbio Aug 07 '22

Hispanic means Spanish speaking

Lusophone means Portuguese speaking

Latin means Latin language speaking

So yes, Brazilians are Latinos. And Haitians are as well, since they speak French.

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u/Adventurous-Sir-695 Aug 07 '22

The fuck you're talking about? Galicia and northen portugal are ethnically the same.

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u/omega_86 Aug 07 '22

Yep, while Lisbon has more Spanish-common surnames (Lopes, Gomes, Mendes) than the rest of the country. Pretty interesting stuff, especially since I'm from west side center Portugal, ethnicity here is quite observable, fortunately wdgaf.

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u/Jasonlovestummyrub Aug 07 '22

Considering Leguizamo and Franco consider themselves American, what are we debating here? How near his generation was to the country in question? How “white” the actor appears at this point?

So we’re clear, the upset is over if only FIRST generation Latin Americans are passed over for roles? 2nd-3rd-4th generation is entirely okay?

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u/Luke5119 Aug 07 '22

And James Franco is part Portoguese on his father's side.

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u/doesaxlhaveajack Aug 07 '22

John L. sometimes makes big statements that just aren’t true. He once claimed that his late-run ER role was meant to be Clooney’s successor but tbh that was a load of bullshit - Clooney had been gone for close to a decade by then, with Kovac being the dreamboat who was wrapping up his run, but Leguizamo wasn’t his successor either. It was clear from the beginning that the Clemente character was always meant to flame out halfway through the season.

Tldr I don’t know if John’s a liar or just kinda dumb.

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u/alrightythenwhat Aug 07 '22

I'm just glad the term "Latinx" is not being used.

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u/usarasa Aug 07 '22

Many. He doesn’t care.

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u/modernbunny892 Aug 07 '22

I thought they originally wanted Scarlett Johansson to play Castro…?

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u/boopboop_barry Aug 07 '22 Helpful

They did but ScarJo is busy with leading in the remake of Joy Luck Club

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u/ILoveScottishLasses Aug 07 '22

Emma Stone was signed up to play Che.

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u/Ok_Owl_6625 Aug 07 '22

the dude look exactly like Fidel lmao

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u/SlaterVJ Aug 07 '22

Kinda reminds me of the people who were mad when Rami Malek played king Tut or whatever, because they thought he should be black even though ruling Egyptians were rarely/never black and Rami Malek is an actual Egyptian. Just pure ignorance

Theres actually more to that.

There is a literaly "movement" that suggests the egyptians were black, and that hollywood made them anything but black. They claim there is loads of evidence that proves the egyptians were black, and not arab/mediterranean. That evidence is not of the egyptians though, but it does relate to the egypt.

There is a period known as the Black Pharaohs, in which egypt had been conquered by the Kushite empire, known today as Sudan. The kushite had the same gods and everything as the egyptians, and even built their own pyramids (there are actually FAR more pyramids in sudan than egypt, as anyone that could afford one, could have one). The Kushite also operated the greatest slave trade in history, reaching all over africa, into the middle east and asia.

Eventually, the Kushite were pushed out of egypt, and the black pharaoh period was ended. But this short period in history isn't normally taught in schools, it's more something you'd learn at college level, so when some people saw evidence and articles about the black pharaohs, they took it as if "the white man is trying to repress their history". All it takes is some actual research to know what happened, but ignorance and false anger trump everything.

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u/Dismal_Struggle_6424 Aug 07 '22

...But this short period in history isn't normally taught in schools, it's more something you'd learn at college level...

This part at least might be changing. We talked pretty extensively about Kush- how and why their civilization grew, natural resources, migration, and even slavery in my kid's first grade curriculum.

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u/SlaterVJ Aug 07 '22

Wow, that's some pretty heavy stuff for first grade, but it's great that it's being taught. It is a pretty important part thar shouldn't be left out when teaching egyptian history.

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u/Dismal_Struggle_6424 Aug 07 '22

I thought so, too. It was a pretty history-dense year, and touched on some heavy material, like who was free to do what in a given civilization.

Non-Egyptians being Pharaohs is a pretty big deal. It happened more than a few times, and really shows a part of that culture and history beyond just the farming on the Nile and building pyramids that I learned in school.

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u/djm9545 Aug 07 '22

Non-Egyptians being Pharaohs is a pretty big deal. It happened more than a few times, and really shows a part of that culture and history beyond just the farming on the Nile and building pyramids that I learned in school.

Yeah like the Ptolemaic dynasty. Cleopatra was descended from a Macedonian general of Alexander the Great’s army that took control of Egypt when Alexander died.

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u/taumason Aug 07 '22

Its funny too because Egypt ruled Kush for a longer period then the Kushites, Persians and Ptolemais ruled Egypt combined. We are closer in time to Cleopatra then she was to Egypts founding. Its a crazy long history. At various times Egypt ruled as much as most of North Africa, the Levant and parts of now Turkey.

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u/Anleme Aug 07 '22

They should look at the actual science. We have ancient DNA from mummies. Egyptians since the Roman period have more sub-Saharan ancestry than the ancient Egyptians did.

Source

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u/Dakotasan Aug 07 '22

Fidel Castro in a stoner comedy, wasn’t “The Dictator” exactly that?

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u/ssort Aug 07 '22

God, I can just picture Franco messing around on set and recreating that scene after he gets his beard put on.

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u/willienelsonmandela Aug 07 '22

James Franco did plenty of serious roles and was really good in them. 127 Hours and Milk come to mind.

Still not going to see it even if it’s good but he’s a much better actor than you’re giving him credit for.

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u/23IRONTUSKS Aug 07 '22

John Leguizamo has played Italians on multiple occasions.

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u/Repulsive_Basis_4946 Aug 08 '22

And an Asian. And a trans woman.

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u/nlickdenn Aug 07 '22

He does look like Castro though

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u/makemisteaks Aug 07 '22

Castro’s father was from Galicia in Spain. Franco’s father was American but of Portuguese ancestry. So there’s at least some semblance of relationship.

Plus you’re right. He does look a lot like a young Castro.

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u/None-of-this-is-real Aug 08 '22

He's certainly a piece of shit like Castro.

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u/birdboix Aug 07 '22

Yes the issue with James Franco is some nebulous whining about "appropriation," not the fact he's a creep

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 Aug 07 '22

I'd respect Leguizamo a lot more right now if he wasn't completely ignoring the sexual predator allegations.

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u/Maoricitizen Aug 07 '22

That's the thing though, like the very thing he's currently calling out, he's done his time in hollywood and made that mistake before.
It doesn't matter if it's true or not, what matters is Franco's mates. If he's got enough to keep a presence in hollywood in the metoo age, then he's got enough backing that mentioning that as someone on the B or C list like leguizamo would be career suicide. Even more so than calling them out on a well known issue in their film industry

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u/Su_Impact Aug 07 '22

Watch people head's explode when they learn that Franco and Castro are both Spanish/Portuguese last names.

And that many Cubans, Fidel Castro included, are 100% ethnically Spanish with no mixed blood.

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u/fanboy_killer Aug 07 '22

I think a lot of Americans equate Latin people with people of color despite numerous cases of famous Latinos that are 100% white (Cameron Diaz, Guillermo del Toro, Ricky Martin, etc.) I think that until the 90s, most famous latinos were white, which could be indocative of another whole problem in american society.

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u/apeturtle Aug 07 '22

How do you know they are 100% of European descent? In Fidel's case is documented that both parent are from Spain. But Ricky Martin is from PR with many generations of puertorrican born. I would find it extremely hard if he was 100% anything.

But again. Being Latino is not about skin color.

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u/Su_Impact Aug 07 '22

But again. Being Latino is not about skin color.

This is exactly why Lezigamo's comments are absurd.

Being Latino is a culture, not a race, and actors can and should be able to portray people from different cultures.

Franco (a white dude) playing Castro (a white dude) is no different than an Indian Hindu actress playing a Pakistani Muslim character (Kamala mom in Ms. Marvel).

I think a way better point could be made if Lezigamo's comments were about how silly it is gonna be to have a Fidel Castro film in English.

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u/Su_Impact Aug 07 '22

That is a good point.

Even Pedro Pascal and Oscar Isaac are very white passing. While Diego Luna is 100% white.

I hope that after Black Panther 2, my boy Tenoch Huerta gets more AAA roles, he's a gem.

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u/whtdycr Aug 07 '22

They don’t look fully white to me, but at the same time they don’t look like Latinos like we see them in the USA. The majority of Latinos here are from Mexico with indigenous blood, so our mind is naturally tricked into thinking that’s what Latino should look like. If you travel to Latin America you can see more varieties in colors and facial features that can range from Europeans, Africans, and Asians.

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u/fanboy_killer Aug 07 '22

They are very likely 100% white. Pascal recently played the role of a European in a Nicholas Cage meta movie. I'm Portuguese and sometimes it's weird to see american actors saying they aren't white, like Sofia Vergara a few times in Modern Family. I know she doesn't write her lines, but they come off as super weird because she would be considered white over here. There's a famous video on YouTube of Jessica Alba on live tb discovering through a DNA test that she's 100% white. Didn't she have a mirror?

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u/queebish Aug 07 '22

Alba was predominantly European but still has a quarter of indigenous ancestry. You'll find most of the Hispanics have a similar genetic makeup depending on region. If someone was even 12% black, you would call them black. Someone being 25% indigenous is white?

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u/earthdweller11 Aug 07 '22

I haven’t seen it in so long (decades now!) even though I loved it, but wasn’t that like part of the story of Y Tu Mama Tambien? Like the privilege of being white/Spanish in Mexico versus darker skinned?

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u/Llex47 Aug 07 '22

Pedro Pascal and Diego Luna could be perfectly mixed with a white bias. One side of my family is from Bolivia and my father's sisters are white and my father looks more mixed because he is tanned.

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u/PTAdad420 Aug 07 '22

James Franco has no Spanish ancestry and no connection to Cuban culture. He’s one quarter Portuguese by way of his grandfather.

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u/machinich_phylum Aug 07 '22 Helpful

Didn't this guy play Luigi? He's not Italian, is he?

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u/watchurknaf Aug 07 '22

he also played a french man in moulin rouge

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u/macdick Aug 07 '22

A French little person to boot

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u/smo_smo Aug 07 '22

He must have played Toulouse-Lautrec. That artist was also born through incest too.

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u/ruddiger22 Aug 07 '22

That really narrows the eligible pool of actors!

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u/oddmanout Aug 07 '22

and a transwoman.

And also a SUPER racist Asian caricature .

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u/ahyeahdudes Aug 07 '22

Haha I completely forgot about that!

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u/Bushwhacker474 Aug 07 '22

He also played a Chinese dude. A pretty exaggerated Chinese dude at that.

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u/SolusLoqui Aug 07 '22

Isn't the character a Puerto Rican con man pretending to be Chinese in that scene?

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Aug 07 '22

That’s like saying RDJ played a black man.

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u/Bushwhacker474 Aug 07 '22

I have zero problem with any of it. Im just pointing out the hypocrisy of it is all

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u/Tripleberst Aug 07 '22

Our plumbing culture has been appropriated for far too long!

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u/Garrett4Real Aug 07 '22

he also played Sid the Sloth and he’s not even a sloth, disgusting

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u/Shaman7102 Aug 07 '22

Guess when your getting paid you forget all about your racial bias.

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u/victorpaparomeo2020 Aug 07 '22

What am I missing here? A Colombian is pissed he does not get to play a Cuban?!

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u/nixfly Aug 07 '22

I really thought he was Puerto Rican. I remember him saying that him and his wife were raising Jewaricans.

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u/Jajajawhat Aug 07 '22

He is Colombian, but being raised in NY around jews and Puerto Ricans makes him more jewarican than Colombian.

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u/GreatMight Aug 07 '22

Nah dude pretended he was Puerto Rican half his life.

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u/Spinach_Odd Aug 07 '22

Yeah I saw his Wikipedia said he was born in Colombia and I said "hold up. I thought his whole thing was being Puerto Rican." Maybe not the best person to complain about cultural appropriation.

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u/Illier1 Aug 08 '22

Dudes got a bit of self loathing lol.

Dude claims Latinos are underrepresented but he's one of many prolific Latino actors who's been in dozens of movies over the last 30 years.

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u/projectsukyomi Aug 07 '22

Breaking news: white guy plays a white guy stop the presses omg

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u/EmperorDaubeny Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Some seconds of reading will tell you Castro’s father was Spanish, and his mother was Canarian, aka from an island close to Spain that’s a mix of the native population and Spanish settlers, dude is white.

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u/calimochovermut Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

the vast vast majority of Canarios are white, not mixed with native population

and if they have native ancestors, you wouldn't say that by looking at their skin

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u/Hans_lit_in Aug 07 '22 Take My Energy

Spanish people are white… you Americans are just obsessed with race

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u/ITriedLightningTendr Aug 07 '22

It's confusing, since Hispanic is a modifier on our census.

You can be quite or black and also hispanic, but not white and black (that falls under mixed race) , and not just hispani

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u/TheManFromFairwinds Aug 07 '22

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race

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u/intellifone Aug 07 '22

Isn’t James Franco’s last name…checks notes…Franco? A common last name in…checks notes…Italy, Spain, and Portugal. Which is where his father is from, Portugal. And aren’t Cubans frequently and specifically Fidel Castro…checks notes again…of Spanish decent? So I’m betting that James Franco is a closer descendant of Fidel Castro than John Leguizamo who is Colombian of very distant Basque roots and probably also has some indigenous ancestry too.

So I’m still saying that Franco is probably decent casting if we’re looking at making sure you’re casting someone who is ethnically similar.

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u/JonasHalle Aug 07 '22

Seconds of thinking will also tell you that "hispanic" people are in fact also white. How did Latin Europeans suddenly become not white by living on a different continent for a few centuries?

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u/baron-von-buddah Aug 07 '22

Don’t piss off Benny Blanco, from the Bronx

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u/ChicaFrom408 Aug 07 '22

Carlito..one of my top 5

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u/ThePiperMan Aug 07 '22

the last of the mohicans

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u/thomasdaniel1967 Aug 07 '22

Or Benny will bring Pachanga with him!

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u/EnsconcedScone Aug 07 '22

I’m still I’m still Benny from the Bronx

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u/ShaolinShadowBroker Aug 07 '22

He needs to tell Danny Trejo to quit hoggin all the roles then

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u/cherrygrapejuice Aug 07 '22

Danny will take all the roles. Good ones. Bad ones. Really really bad ones. And then go to his donut shop or grab some of his own tacos. Danny is a beast.

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u/YamSamwiches Aug 07 '22

I would be okay with Danny Trejo playing a white guy. He’s pretty rad.

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u/greenalfonzo Aug 07 '22

Castro's father was born in Spain, and his mother in the Canary Islands off the coast of Spain. So Castro wasn't "latin," he was European.

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u/B0ogi3m4n Aug 07 '22

I think John forgot that he played an Italian plumber

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u/shayed154 Aug 08 '22

Fun fact: John Leguizamo played Sid the Sloth when he is in fact not a sloth

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u/Medium-Grocery3962 Aug 07 '22

How about we just don’t award him the job on the basis that he is a predator, and we call it a win? Squabbling about his ethnicity in the wake of this fact seems silly, no?

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u/Dat_Boi_Aint_Right Aug 07 '22

Unfortunately in shooting from the hip, Leguizamo made it foremost about Franco's ethnicity and now that's irrevocably tied to any decisions going forward.

It's why it was exceptionally important for the freedom riders and other civil rights activists to stay "on brand" and focused on scope when combatting the Jim Crow laws. Anything and everything would become a justification for rejecting their message and painting them as violent, ignorant, or dangerous.

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u/Ompare Aug 07 '22

What is he talking about? Both Fidel's parents were 100% white spaniards, he was as white as somebody from Spain can get, it is ridiculous to pretend to gatekeep acting roles solely based on ethnicity, when the job of an actor is to pretend to be somebody else.

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u/lessyes Aug 07 '22

Isn't Jonh Leguizamo Colombian claiming to be Puerto Rican.

Found this from 2011 http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/06/13/leguizamo.puerto.rico/index.html

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u/-Swill- Aug 07 '22

Said this in the last thread - As a Latino myself (Argentinian), STFU Leguizamo. The role should go to whoever is best suited for it, regardless of ethnicity/race/heritage. If that's James Franco, so be it.

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u/uaintgot2liecraig Aug 07 '22

Leguizamo does the voiceover for racist ass Papa John’s but I guess that’s ok?

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u/imhereforsiegememes Aug 07 '22

I hate to say it but now way I could get past John's voice as Fidel

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u/Wolfmans-Gots-Nards Aug 07 '22

“Let me axsk you a question.”

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u/allnamesgoneforeal Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Seth Rogen as Che, only they never have a falling out and he never gets kicked out of Cuba and it's just a remake of This is the End but with Latin American communists instead of actors.

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u/tideshark Aug 07 '22

The blowing up about appropriation shit is getting ridiculous. Do people really think every every Latino person in movies is actually from the country being played in the movie? How about every Arabic person not being from the country portrayed at the moment? Or how many Asian people in movies aren’t always from what’s being shown? Any idea how many English people play Americans?

FFS enough is enough with appropriation in Hollywood, because like, they are ACTORS PLAYING A ROLE IN A MOVIE! If they look the part, and can act the part, they are DOING THEIR JOB! I can’t believe the dumb shit people need to freak out over anymore

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u/fanboy_killer Aug 07 '22

Yesterday, it was announced that Danny Trejo, a 78 years old Mexican American, was playing Ferdinand Magellan, a Portuguese navigator who diad at the age of 41, in an upcoming movie. As a portuguese, I didn't give a shit and found it hilarious.

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u/tideshark Aug 07 '22

Hell yeah dude. If they look the part and they can act the part, they are doing their job.

So crazy so many people nowadays got this idea that someone acting has to also be what they are acting as. IF thats how they really feel, they would be closing the doors on soooo many people trying to get jobs in Hollywood, and many of them being minorities who are put there giving not all they have for their one shot to possibly get noticed for a serious roll that’ll help their career take off.

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u/Wamb0wneD Aug 07 '22

Bless Danny Trejos heart man.

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u/indiblue825 Aug 07 '22

"Órale, vato! I found a fucking maritime passage between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans in Chile, cabron! Now pass me my blood pressure medication before I pass out."

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u/Albreto-Gajaaaaj Aug 07 '22

Danny Trejo is always a win

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u/AbundantFailure Aug 07 '22

I am unreasonably excited to see a Danny Trejo played Magellan. This can go sooo many ways, all of which will be peak entertainment.

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u/TurtleTucker Aug 08 '22

Same here, but with "Silence" a few years back. Neither Adam Driver nor Andrew Garfield have any Portuguese ethnicity (not to my knowledge at least), but they both looked the part and in Driver's case did a pretty good job with pulling off the accent. I think they handled it pretty well.

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u/AydonusG Aug 07 '22

I agree on that with a caveat, they should look and act like the ethnicity they are portraying, like Neil Patrick Harris shouldn't be playing MLK Jr, and Jon Cho shouldn't be playing Saddam Hussein, but picking an actor who looks good for the role and can pass as that character, go nuts

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u/SideburnSundays Aug 07 '22

Bill Burr had a hilarious take on this: imagine people getting upset that a quadriplegic character wasn’t played by a quadriplegic actor.

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u/Theons-Sausage Aug 07 '22

Any idea how many English people play Americans?

When I found out that Andrew Lincoln is English and heard him speaking in interviews outside of the Rick Grimes character I was blown away.

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u/Back_To_The_Oilfield Aug 07 '22

Ooooh shit, I found Bill Burr’s Reddit account.

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u/GreatMight Aug 07 '22

Says the guy who made a career off pretending to be Puerto Rican.

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u/Sparrow_DZ Aug 07 '22

Hoolllyyyyyyy shit. TIL johnny boy here isnt puerto rican!!! LOL. Cheers GreatMight!

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u/SloppyMeathole Aug 07 '22

"Appropriation of our stories".

It's called acting. If everything in a movie had to be 100% authentic it wouldn't be a movie, its a historical reenactment.

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u/DingleBerrieIcecream Aug 07 '22

Exactly. And what’s the end goal? Shall all gay characters in movies have to be played by gay actors, too? Should gay actors be forbidden to take on straight roles? What if they are bi or asexual in real life, are they disqualified?

And what percentage of ethnicity allows an actor the right to pretend to be someone else in a movie? 50% is acceptable but 35% isn’t enough? Who decides these rules?

At the end of the day, it’s actors, who by training are taught to take on roles outside themselves, creating art.

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u/paging_mrherman Aug 07 '22

Isn’t Franco of Spanish descent ?

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u/Littleloula Aug 07 '22

Russian (1/2), Swedish (1/4), Portuguese (1/4)

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u/Vintageradiohead Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

See it’s called acting, unless they star in their own bio they appropriate others stories for a living. In an audition the best actor for that role should get that role. Obviously an actor should never apply makeup to change their racial appearance but with that exception get over yourself dude.

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u/Throwaway20211119 Aug 07 '22

Didn't John played as Luigi?

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u/38004921Em Aug 08 '22

I thought franco was cancelled???

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u/synerjay16 Aug 07 '22

Ummmm….. because the dude looks like Castro?….

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u/GrumpyBearBank Aug 07 '22

Leguizamo is apparently doubling down on a stupid argument.

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u/tonyfelice Aug 07 '22

he probably has such shit PR he doesn’t know he’s been pwned

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u/red_red2020 Aug 07 '22

I understand that minority groups are underrepresented in cinema. But acting is all about playing someone you aren’t. The fact that Franco looks so much like Castro wins my vote. I would like to see openly gay actors playing straight parts, trans women playing Cis women parts. As long as they are the best choice for the part.

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u/demondus Aug 07 '22

I agreed. As long as you can act and look the part, who cares.

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u/Wbino Aug 07 '22

Kareno Leguizamo

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u/icematrix Aug 07 '22

Sure Luigi, whatever you say pisano.

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u/ZoomPatrol Aug 07 '22

He’s Portugués well half also has similar features as Fidel Castro

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u/joelekane Aug 07 '22

And fucking Luigi lol.

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u/One-Following-3115 Aug 07 '22

Stop saying “woke” - it makes you sound like a fucking moron.

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u/Wolfmans-Gots-Nards Aug 07 '22

Except Franco is Latin. And also a sex predator. One of these qualities makes him perfect for the role. The other one doesn’t seem to bother Leguizamo

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u/greentea1985 Aug 07 '22

Franco has Portuguese ancestry but most people use Latin to refer to people with heritage from the Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, and South America. Franco doesn’t have that.

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u/roman_totale Aug 07 '22

Castro was basically 100% European (Galician Spanish and Canarian.)

Castro's "heritage" was being born to a wealthy Spanish landowner with 300 employees and 100 servants, including his mother, who Castro's dad started knocking up when she was 15 and scrubbing pots and pans in his kitchen; he promoted her to cook.

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u/LPNinja Aug 07 '22

You mean raped*

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u/illuminenyc Aug 07 '22

Fyi - Castro was from Galicia, Spanish territory that shares a border with Portugal. Gallego is closer to Portuguese than Spanish.

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u/JonasHalle Aug 07 '22

Uh, people from "the Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, and South America" have Portuguese ancestry (technically mostly Spanish).

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u/Fit-Minimum-5507 Aug 07 '22

This is really our fault as Latinos. We punch above our weight in terms of patronizing Hollywood content on every platform and while other minorities get big budget movies and starring roles on almost every movie and tv show we’re consistently relegated to immigrants, criminals, and the help. Then on top of that we have factions in our community who want to nitpick the skin color of Latino performers in the few movies Hollywood actually does make for us and otherwise be unsupportive of them (and yes. I’m referring to WSS and In the Heights).

In short, John is right but we also as a community shoulder some of the blame. We A) have to stop supporting these movies like we do until we see ourselves on screen more often in respectable roles and B) have to get on message as a community and stop backbiting and trying to sabotage Latino projects because of imagined colorism.

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u/KRyptoknight26 Aug 07 '22

Americans are so obsessed with race it's weird. Even the tolerant and inclusive ones on the left keep droning on and on and on about race, it gets uncomfortable to even read about sometimes

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u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera Aug 07 '22

All I hear is "I tweeted something monumentally stupid, got called out on it by everyone, and I'm doubling down on it!" Poor butthurt John.

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u/oportoman Aug 07 '22

I really don't get it - they are ACTORS, meaning that they can play a range of people. All this "appropriation" is bullshit - it wants people to stay in their zone. Sorry, it's too fuckin late for all that. In the UK they had a black actress play Ann Bolyen (I think), and when I last checked, Ann Bolyen wasn't black. So, should she have? If anything goes, then Leguizamo needs to let it go.

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u/DaddyO1701 Aug 07 '22

Actors gonna act. Cmon John.

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u/Slurrpy01 Aug 07 '22

Actor acts, other actor gets mad he didn't get to act. Doubles down on his dumbassery, it's amazing. No one bats an eye at English actors playing Americans literally all the time. It's almost like being a good actor has something to do with the hiring process

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u/Kick_Kick_Punch Aug 07 '22

John Leguizamo is shooting himself on the foot. The dude played an Italian character on Super Mario Bros - so he shouldn't have received the Luigi part?

Gtfo with this nonsense.

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u/Kansas_City Aug 08 '22

“Our stories!”oh shut up. YOU don’t own Fidel Castro’s story. The reason why Franco was cast is because he’s a A list actor and the studio wants to make money. John Leguizamo is a C list actor and while I have always liked his work, nobody would care if he disappeared.

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u/BlacknNM Aug 08 '22

John Leguizamo been pretending to be puerto Rican for 30 years

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u/st4rryblossom Aug 08 '22

FUCK james franco. he shouldn’t be getting any work.

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u/translatepure Aug 07 '22

Victimhood is real, but as a state of mind, is cancerous.

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u/PlusSizeRussianModel Aug 07 '22

The funny thing is that Leguizamo did the production a MASSIVE favor. Now everyone’s just defending Franco and talking about how good a fit he is for the part, instead of any of the allegations against him which would’ve dominated the conversation if not for Leguizamo.

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