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Senate approves Inflation Reduction Act, clinching long-delayed health and climate bill

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/08/07/senate-inflation-reduction-act-climate/
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u/19683dw Wisconsin Aug 07 '22

I got extra excited when the junior Senator from Tennessee was ranting about how this is so heavily pro-union

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u/Kana515 Aug 08 '22

I didn't even know that, this bill just gets better and better!

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u/drewskibfd Aug 08 '22

I don't know how Republican blue collar workers can be so anti-union. The propaganda is strong.

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u/MaroonBookPro Aug 08 '22

Unless it’s police unions.

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u/Tabbytew Aug 08 '22

They love socialism when it's for them, just not for the country as a whole. They see police and military as their guys, and they aren't half wrong.

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u/beer_down Arizona Aug 07 '22 Silver Helpful Take My Energy To The Stars

Charlie Brown kicks the football!

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u/Devils1993 Arizona Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Spectacular news. We still absolutely should primary Sinema though. She made this much more difficult than it needed to be

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u/beer_down Arizona Aug 07 '22

Ruben come on down

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u/Devils1993 Arizona Aug 07 '22

TBH, I prefer Regina Romero-mayor of Tucson--she is very impressive. But I'll vote for Gallego over Sinema

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u/itemNineExists Washington Aug 08 '22

It's not even worth mentioning that Sinema is out. She's extremely unpopular. Ill be shocked if she isn't primaried.

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u/terrabattlebro Aug 07 '22

And in the meantime, elect two more senators for Biden

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Mandela Barnes and Tim Ryan seem to be up in the new polls, along with John Fetterman.

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u/foreveracubone Aug 08 '22

along with Fetterman

Fetterman could literally shoot someone on the Rocky steps and still probably win. He appeals to the same ‘Scranton’ voters that Biden won in 2020 and he’s running against someone who is Muslim and is from New Jersey. Neither of which will help turn out in the parts of Pennsyltucky Trump country the Republicans need to win the race.

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u/sly_cooper25 Ohio Aug 08 '22

Trump really shot himself in the foot with that endorsement. You can really tell it's Trump himself picking who he supports and not a team of actually intelligent people.

I guarantee his thought process was, "oh Dr. Oz, the guy from TV? Yeah I'll endorse him". Never gave one thought to the fact that his base wouldn't want to come out to vote for an out of stater named Mehmet.

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u/ihohjlknk Aug 07 '22

Turning those last minute tricks for private equity firms was absolutely shameless of her. You can do so much better, Arizona.

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u/NoDesinformatziya Aug 08 '22

Her approval was like 8 percent recently, if I recall correctly. Everyone in her jurisdiction fucking hates her.

EDIT: source from January

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u/rjrgjj Aug 07 '22

Dark Brandon Rises.

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u/GoBlueFlorida Aug 08 '22

The Dark Brandon memes are fire right now.

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u/WCWRingMatSound Aug 07 '22

“No one cared who i was until I passed some legislation.”

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u/Opus_723 Aug 08 '22

Can we get a meme of Charlie Brown with glowing laser eyes kicking the shit out of a football?

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u/rjrgjj Aug 08 '22

I got one of laser eyes Joe eating ice cream

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u/stupidlyugly Texas Aug 07 '22

Minority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., called it "Democrats' grab bag of bad ideas."

So if this is what Republicans have to say about it, I'll assume that we're about to enter an era of prosperous utopia.

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u/lbanuls Aug 07 '22

They'll take credit for it.

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u/AdamantiumBalls Aug 08 '22

Yes , they always inherit a good economy and enjoy the spoils

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u/kontekisuto Aug 08 '22

"Checkmate Libz" Republicans claiming it was always their ideas

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u/I_am_trying_to_work Aug 08 '22

"Checkmate Libz" Republicans claiming it was always their ideas

Yeah suck it! Wait.....are we the bad guys?

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Washington Aug 08 '22

GOP politicians 100% know who they are, and who they represent. They have ALL the information. In fact few if any human beings have ever been as well-informed. And with that, they choose to amplify their constituents bamboozlement.

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u/mokango Oregon Aug 07 '22

It’s a convenient metaphor because all republicans up for re-election will grab onto something in the bill to celebrate as a reason to re-elect them, despite zero votes in favor of it.

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u/Hob0Man Aug 08 '22 Helpful

A presidents policy effects don't show in the first few years of his first term and consequently his effects last into the next presidents term.

Literally every good economy republicans inherit, they ruin and when the democrat president takes over again and we see the devastating effects of the republican president policy, Republicans are foaming at the mouth talking about economy. Fuck all of them, they are all either stupid or evil.

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u/TheMaxemillion Aug 08 '22

They are all either stupid or evil.

Or both. Many willingful ignorant racists, fascists, and the like.

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u/DriedUpSquid Washington Aug 08 '22

They’re using tax dollars to make improvements to the lives of Americans! The madness!

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u/geckoswan Aug 08 '22

Imagine if we did more of this instead of pumping the military complex.

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u/Remarkable-Scratch50 Aug 07 '22

If Republicans had their way they would reduce the corporate tax rate even more below than their 2017 tax cut bill and somehow get an abortion ban in there and with making Donald the God Emperor. And of course it would be somehow be legal.

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u/joe2352 Aug 07 '22

Republicans would vote against the cure to cancer if it were on the senate while Democrats are in control. And they’re gonna take credit for all the good things in this bill with their voters. Fuck them.

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u/yougonnayou Aug 07 '22

Yeah. Didn’t they just vote against affordable insulin?

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u/Remarkable-Scratch50 Aug 07 '22

Even if they had the senate, the house, and the presidency they would still vote against the cure. They'd only vote for it if their shareholders made their money.

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u/joe2352 Aug 07 '22

“We have the cure for cancer. It costs $3 to make. This bill will sell the cure to big pharma to ensure its fast production and make it available to every cancer patient in America for just $100,000 per treatment.” -Republicans probably.

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u/UncleTogie Aug 08 '22

"...and by the way, we've already purchased stock in the companies we're about to sell it to."

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u/cmcewen Aug 08 '22

Fox News is calling it a social bill spending spree. As if health care is some frivolous pet project or that the bill is going to purely fund gay marriage or something

Republicans say Democrats will ‘pay the price’ in midterms for passing massive spending bill

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-dems-pay-price-midterms-passing-massive-spending-bill

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u/dokks Aug 08 '22

Say it with me, fuck Fox News*

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u/Pristine_Nothing Aug 08 '22

Republicans say Democrats will ‘pay the price’ in midterms for passing massive spending bill

I’m inclined to think this will help Dems in the midterms, since they need turnout, and to get turnout they need excitement, for which they need results.

Frankly, I doubt it’s going to turn anyone off of voting Dem. It’s too focused (and paid for) to do that.

And even if they suffer for it politically in the short-term, I don’t care, this is what they get voted in to do.

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u/The_Lost_Jedi Washington Aug 08 '22

Anyone who thinks this is a reason to vote against Democrats and for Republicans, was never going to not vote for a Republican in the first place.

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u/The_Pandalorian Aug 07 '22

Lmao. Republicans have no ideas, they're just a flaming dumpster full of dogwhistles and white grievance.

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u/jakewebs California Aug 07 '22 Silver

To paraphrase a former vice president, this is a big fucking deal. Not everything we need but finally some action on climate change!

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u/TheRockStarChef America Aug 07 '22

The bigger deal is realizing that zero Republicans voted for this bill. And shows you how much they care about the public or global humanity.

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u/Judgment_Reversed Aug 08 '22

And why we have to make sure they don't take back power.

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u/Party-Roof-1237 Minnesota Aug 07 '22

Can confirm, “This is a big fucking deal”!

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u/Bacaloupe Aug 07 '22 I'd Like to Thank...

I'm so happy. $370 billion into clean energy. I've been really happy with the democrats the past couple of years. They're not prefect, but they actually give a shit about the world. Impeaching trump twice, and getting burn pit healthcare passed, infrastructure bill, and now a bill for climate change.

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u/makebbq_notwar Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

Even more than that, it also authorizes $250 billion in DOE loan guarantees for things like utility scale solar and other projects.

edit: looks like I've upset the amature inflation hawks who love tariffs and bailouts for large multi national ag companies.

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u/Goldyshi Aug 07 '22

It also allows Medicare to negotiate drug prices. That's a huge deal!

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u/throwawaytheday20 Aug 07 '22

This one is ginormous, people seriously underestimate it!

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u/Jessica_Ariadne Aug 07 '22

When I read a summary a few days ago it said they would only be able to negotiate prices on I think 10 drugs the first year, with like 10-15 being added each of the next two years. Hopefully they have some high impact drugs in mind for those first negotiations, or even better, hopefully I am out of date on this limitation in the bill.

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u/audible_narrator Aug 07 '22

I want to see insulin on that first list.

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u/itsalloverfolks007 Aug 07 '22

Republicans voted against price caps on insulin:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/07/republicans-block-cap-on-insulin-costs-for-many-americans-from-democratic-deal.html

I guess their voters don't suffer from diabetes or are so flush with money that this does not bother them?

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u/PrfctPitch Aug 08 '22

Remember their voters wanted to abolish Obama Care but wanted to keep the Affordable Care Act health insurance duh

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u/Heyo__Maggots Aug 08 '22

The republicans specifically shot that down. Then immediately I hear one on the radio today whining about how his family has a great history of diabetes and why didn’t the democrats do anything about insulin with this bill.

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u/Pd_lol Aug 07 '22

10 by 2026, additional 10 by 2029 according to wapo.

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u/SockdolagerIdea Aug 07 '22

Sorry to be daft, but that’s like….20 drugs. Aren’t there like, thousands of drugs?

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u/ste7enl Aug 07 '22

There are, but many drugs have generic versions that are not nearly as costly. This is for drugs that aren't super new that still don't have generic alternatives.

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u/surnik22 Aug 07 '22

I think it’s dumb to limit it to 10 drugs. But I read somewhere that those 10 drugs make up a significant portion of the total expenditures on drugs.

So if they can negotiate the price on 10 drugs and reduce total expenditure by 30% and the next 10 may only reduce it by 5% and it may take hundreds of drugs to reduce it another 5.

There is some level of sense to targeting the easiest and juiciest saving first.

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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22 Eureka!

People don't seem to fully grasp this yet.

We Americans are...dumb, especially a certain 40% of us. Those types of people hate Obamacare but love the Affordable Care Act.

Those types of people have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards progress. Once they see the cost savings for those on Medicare, their opinions will change over time.

They'll never support scary socialized medicine, but gradual expansion of Medicare with a shiny new name has a better chance in time.

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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie Aug 07 '22 Coin Gift

Watch republicans take credit for it in 5 years

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u/allen_abduction I voted Aug 07 '22

5 years? Ha, a week from now!

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u/fpcoffee Texas Aug 07 '22

While simultaneously voting down insulin price caps for those on private insurance

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u/fantasyfootball1234 Aug 07 '22

A week from now? They will instantly retroactively misattribute the medicare drug price declines to Donald Trump’s credit and throw it in our faces at the next debate

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u/CliftonForce Aug 07 '22

I recall the GOP is pulling out of debates entirely.

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u/paginavilot Aug 07 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy

Arguing with the GOP is like arguing with a monkey. They have no idea what is good or bad so they just throw their shit at you.

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u/rosemarysage Aug 07 '22

you mean hours, right?

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u/ChillyBearGrylls Aug 07 '22

And now we also need every Democrat to run on this achievement - to turn the governance victory into political victory

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u/MidDistanceAwayEyes Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome

It’s a not a perfect bill, but given margins and makeup a less than ideal bill is about the best we could expect, and 3 weeks ago most people (including me), even in Congress, assumed this was dead.

You have fossil fuel lease clauses required to get Manchin’s vote, some interesting tax changes, etc, but the largest climate investment done yet, for the most part progressive tax changes, and drug price reform. It hits some important issues, incrementally, while leaving others (needed social safety net expansions, etc) mostly unaddressed, however it might well shape the path for passing those in the future given midterm effects.

It definitely under-delivers relative to where Build Back Better was, and relative to what we need, but it’s a bill that confronts a global crisis on a big enough stage that the US can for now avoid the “okay and what are you doing exactly?” response from the global community when discussing international climate.

Hundreds of billions in climate investment will progress renewable tech for the entire planet.

What had seen from Biden’s term so far were drops in the bucket, this is a cup in the bucket. It’s a cup with some dirt in it, but a cup mostly filled from water “taken” from the buckets of the wealthy nonetheless.

It demonstrates that Democrats, undoubtably divided, can pass somewhat progressive legislation while balancing spending with deficit reduction (given our lack of progressive taxation we have a lot of room to do stuff like this). Although, progressives were never really the risk with this bill; Bernie might have thrown some amendments out to vote, but everyone knew he’d vote for it in the end, since we don’t have time to wait on climate, whereas someone like Manchin would kill it. Progressives, like Bernie, did their work by shaping the scope of the national conversation, helping get to a place wherein this $400 billion spending bill, with fairly progressive taxation and health reform that total to deficit reduction, without any GOP support, was the compromise.

The fact this bill, after all the spending done over the last 2 years, passed is a remarkable example of how spending attitudes have changed in the party since 2008-2010. There are still hawks, and this bill reduces deficit, but not in the “don’t spend money” and strict austerity sense we have often seen. It showcases shifting attitudes to bipartisanship, since we had many “bipartisan zealots” that have preached the necessity of it in the past ended up voting for a bill with climate spending nearly half that of the total 2008 stimulus bill and no GOP support.

This was passed with essentially no margins, and who knows what 4-5 more Dem senators could have given us.

Midterms will still be tough, as is expected when the GOP has bias in favor of it in both, but things have gotten a lot easier for Dems over the past 1-2 months given their successes and Republicans pushing their regression and obstruction hard and blatantly.

Democrats (mainly Manchin + Schumer) finally played dirty, and Republicans played themselves perfectly in response. They passed CHIPS with GOP while hiding this deal, then announced it, let GOP vote against burn put health funding, and brought this bill to vote within weeks.

Biden’s 2020 victory was incredibly fragile: 40,000 votes across 3 states could have given Trump an electoral tie, which would have be broken in his favor. It relied upon many things, but record youth turnout (still low compared to seniors but ages 18-29 rose from 42-44% in 2016 to 52-55% in 2020) was a big one. Trump was a major motivation for the youth, but that’s an age group that has mostly seen the government in complete obstruction and dysfunction. People tried to make climate arguments for Biden prior to this bill, and he did some things while being a saint compared to Trump, but those smaller steps were never going to be seen as momentum and energizing considering even this bill is less than needed for climate. This showcases Dems in power can provide genuine climate investment, and that there is a cohort that will vote for climate legislation. The current cohort won’t pass a full Green New Deal, but the New Deal was many bills collectively called the New Deal, and if things go well this bill could be one included historically in a Green New Deal.

There is now a base level of climate action that has been set. It needs to be built upon, but it’s at least there, and it can be run on. Climate and student loans are huge things for under 30. If Dems deliver this, and Biden takes debt relief action soon before the midterms, we could actually see some strong midterm youth turnout.

Now that this has passed, the climate fight could get harder bill wise, since for many Dems “we just passed major climate legislation and progressive taxes”, while Republicans are going to be against anything. This makes electing more, and more progressives, paramount for climate action.

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u/ItsMissTitsMcGee Aug 07 '22

I live in an area that are starting to see solar farms on the rise and the farmers are furious. I am almost 40 and while I understand that the older generations aren’t big fans of change, it is so infuriating to see. They all actually think that solar is going to take the sun away from their crops, which is mind blowing. Some of these people are my age or within 5 years of me. Living in a predominantly MAGA area has been really eye opening to the brainwashing that these people have experienced. They will believe anything that is extreme right-wing and there is nothing you can do that can change their mind. My heart absolutely breaks when I see them with their children and know they are ingrained in their parents ways.

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u/El_Rey_de_Spices Aug 07 '22

Y'know, there's a trend I've anecdotally noticed over the course of my life, and I am now wondering if it's just coincidences or if there's actually something to it:

Many people that I've interacted with that fall into either one of the categories 'Less Educated' or 'Right Leaning' are more likely to view everything as a zero-sum game. This includes resources like solar and wind. I've had people tell me, fully believing in what they're saying, that the turbines and panels will "suck up" the wind and the sun.

As in, the wind and the sun will rapidly lose power over time because we're "sucking it up"...

One woman told me that "People are gonna make the sun burn out"...

Just remembering these encounters is making my head hurt all over again, lol

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u/beware_thejabberwock Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

5x10-17 % of the sun's energy hits the earth and we only need 0.002% of that to power the entire planet with solar.

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u/wotguild Aug 08 '22

You gonna suck it up with ur God damn panels and high spf sunscreen! Real men get tans!

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u/deathputt4birdie Aug 08 '22

We'd need about 200,000 square miles of solar panels to power the entire planet. That is less than ~0.3% of the land. Solar panels on top of every highway in the US could provide enough power for the entire country.

https://landartgenerator.org/blagi/archives/127

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u/Southern-Exercise Aug 07 '22

One woman told me that "People are gonna make the sun burn out"...

🤔 I hope you laughed in her face.

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u/jsblk3000 Aug 08 '22

I remember 10 years ago when I was single and on the dating scene before Tinder really took off or whatever the current app is. One of the dating websites would do a questionnaire with random questions and like half the people thought the earth was larger than the sun. Blew my mind.

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u/Ayn_Rand_Bin_Laden Aug 08 '22

OKCupid.

Some of those personality responses were absolute Christian nightmares. It's truly staggering how unbelievably uneducated the populace is.

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u/wont_start_thumbing Aug 08 '22

Yep, I screencapped these answers from one profile, back in 2014:

https://imgur.com/a/xosh7bR

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u/couldbemage Aug 08 '22

It was not half. It was a really tiny percentage, the half your remembering was twice as many women answered it wrong. The article from the OKC guy that mentioned the stat was about the perils of data analysis. Specifically, with the percentages that got it wrong, you're measuring attentiveness, not knowledge. But he immediately saw that merely reporting that stat without context would cause controversy. He likened it to digging too deep and unearthing the baalrog.

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u/Hello-their Aug 08 '22

Growing up in a conservative family, zero sum was my world view until a high school teacher explained what zero sum actually was. It made me realize that I don’t really believe in zero sum, that the world is a better place than it was and we can continue to make it better. I’ll be forever grateful that such a small bit of knowledge changed me on a profound level.

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u/Ayn_Rand_Bin_Laden Aug 08 '22

These people are unbelievable morons. A friend's conservative mother once said that "there are more trees today than there have ever been since the dinosaurs and trees eat pollution, so global warming can't be true."

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u/theB1ackSwan Aug 08 '22

I'll look up the specific study, but one of the Ivy-league universities did a sociological study and concluded that white people, specifically white men, view most issues through a zero-sum lens, whether it's resources or rights. It was enlightening to read, but also scary to think of the future when minority groups obtaining rights will naturally trigger a backlash of folks wanting to roll them back harder.

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u/ScyllaGeek Aug 08 '22

I have some smart farmers where I'm from who were more than happy to lease out some of their land to wind farms to set up turbines in their field. It really shouldn't be some big partisan thing, and it can be good money for farmers if they jump on it.

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Aug 07 '22

I understand that the older generations aren’t big fans of change, it is so infuriating to see. They all actually think that solar is going to take the sun away from their crops, which is mind blowing.

When you consider the amount of cognitive decline that generation has due to long exposure to harmful amounts of lead, things start to make a lot more sense.

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u/DistortoiseLP Canada Aug 08 '22

A lot of these people were also always idiots that never had the tough times to prove it before now. There's a lot of 40 year olds that have lived lives of nothing but validation of their beliefs because they rarely if ever see their convictions tested.

As hard as life can be in the United States, it is a very forgiving place to be blissfully stupid if you have the right look in the right town.

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u/cyncity7 Aug 07 '22

And they need to promote the hell out of it, counter all the alt-right propaganda against it, so even the most out of touch MAGA understands the benefits for them and our country.

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u/MidDistanceAwayEyes Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 08 '22 Take My Energy

Democrats have arguably the best policy achievement positioning they’ve had in a while, and the GOP has played their cards hard and fast to the dismay of many.

Medicare drug reform and Republican votes against it can be used for targeting seniors. Climate leaning more for progressives, and even included environmental justice climate measures. Bipartisan bills plus deficit reduction via corporate and wealthy taxes for more conservative. Things like drug reform and progressive taxation are a hit across the political spectrum. They can even hit oil/gas areas with the stuff Manchin made sure got in for in for his oil/gas buddies and family, like leasing and “carbon capture”. Economic talk becomes more powerful if inflation keeps coming down, considering Dems, particularly Biden, were getting the propagandized blame for it all. This bill will take years for everything to come into effect, but given the timing of inflation dropping and the name of the bill, they have a potentially very lucky situation on hand.

The way they actually played this bill led to GOP votes against burn pit healthcare and against capping insulin at $35.

“Culture war” wise, Republicans are actively taking away freedoms and Dems can push this hard. Before Roe was overturned, most voters and politicians figured it was fairly safe, and it wouldn’t just be overturned on some day (well we got a heads up this time…). Now the threat has turned from rhetoric to material, and justices like Thomas included explicit mentions of major cases that a majority of Americans support and could be targeted next. Dems have done votes to make sure votes go on record for things like contraceptives, and some conservatives have been puzzled by GOP votes since they assumed the bills were hiding other things only to find out Dems have been sending pretty clean stuff.

Dem campaigning struggles more with culture war when associated with expanding rights, especially important minority rights that don’t have 60-70+% majority national support, whereas now threats became real and they can play up preventing the loss of broad rights without it seeming hyperbolic.

The right may have messed up by taking their culture war seriously, at least before they established their full right wing minority rule.

Who knows what could go on with Jan 6 investigations.

It’s absurd that despite all this, these midterms will still be tough, in part because the Senate and House both have Republican bias to the degree Dems need like 2-4% more national vote to have even number of seats. Dem strategy certainly doesn’t deserve a free pass either.

However, if they gain seats in the midterms we’ll get more possibility for things like voting/election reform and DC becoming a state, which would help counter the bias.

GOP haven’t exactly hid their plan to make minority rule permanent, and it’s absolutely necessary to prevent a strong GOP midterm.

Dems have often been called out for their messaging and campaigning, but if they can’t turn the past 2-3 months into momentum that will be pathetic.

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u/joemondo Aug 07 '22

Democrats (mainly Manchin + Schumer) finally played dirty, and Republicans played themselves perfectly in response. They passed CHIPS with GOP while hiding this deal, then announced it, let GOP vote against burn put health funding, and brought this bill to vote within weeks.

I would substitute strategically for dirty in this case.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Aug 07 '22

this bill reduces deficit, but not in the “don’t spend money” and strict austerity sense we have often seen.

The "hawks" have never been bothered by spending even obscene amounts of money. They just refuse to spend it on helping people.

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u/Wild_Harvest Aug 07 '22

I've started getting ads from my power company advertising solar panels and backup batteries (AT NO COST TO YOU!) and while I'm skeptical, this bill has me potentially looking into it.

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u/Kvetch__22 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

The biggest thing for me is that the projections with this bill are for a 41% reduction from our 2005 CO2 output by 2030.

That's a big fucking deal becuase our target for the Paris Accords is 50%. And those targets are designed to cap temperature rise at 1.5° C, AKA averting climate catastrophe. We're not there yet, but this sets us up pretty nicely to make a serious run at our 2030 and 2050 goals.

Very much inspired today to believe (1) the United States, of all countries, is actually capable of pulling through on its international climate commitments, and (2) the humanity in general can actually avert the worst effects of climate change.

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u/Mr_friend_ Aug 07 '22

What I think is so monumental about that number is that 2030 is in a few years. If we pull it off, it'll be proof that humans CAN save the planet... that virtually everything is possible if you have the will to do it.

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u/HerculesKabuterimon Aug 07 '22

which is still a very good step in the right direction, but not enough. Not yet. But with how we’ve governed the last four months or so I’m pretty optimistic these days.

I really think we should look at how much has been done lately on seemingly impossible issues like this and gun control.

Just in 2018? Even republicans voted to allow the CDC to research gun violence finally. https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-gun-violence-research-money/ they helped pass the earlier this year bill.

This climate bill is massive just massive steps and we’re potentially gonna codify gay marriage in a few weeks. This is so awesome. I haven’t been this happy with congress since the ACA itself was passed.

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u/Party-Roof-1237 Minnesota Aug 07 '22

We need to build and maintain.

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u/G_I_Joe_Mansueto Aug 07 '22

It’s a good bill. Even with Sinema’s late bullshit it should bring in more revenue then it spends, and the spends are good. Lower insulin prices, negotiate (some 😩) Medicare drugs, green spending, firmer corporate tax floor. Just a good slate of priorities before the midterms.

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u/GreatTragedy Aug 07 '22

The insulin prices only applies to Medicare. Republicans killed the universal cap (57-43 vote).

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u/Snuggle__Monster Aug 07 '22

I was just looking at the voting for that, Josh Hawley of all fucking people actually voted for it.

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u/Real_TwistedVortex Pennsylvania Aug 07 '22

Maybe he has a family member with diabetes, idk

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u/Laura9624 Aug 07 '22

Yes. We need 60+ Democrats.

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u/DonkeyTron42 Aug 07 '22

There's still hope for low cost insulin in the form of non-profit companies like Civica and state governments like California.

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u/Own_Carrot_7040 Aug 07 '22

That law making it illegal for Medicare to negotiate prices with pharmaceutical companies was a straight-out corporate corruption story where the guy who steered it through congress left right afterward for a million-dollar a year job with the pharmaceutical industry., It's cost the government billions.

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u/fpcoffee Texas Aug 07 '22

cost us, you mean

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u/0069 Aug 07 '22

Yes, I like to remind people the government doesn't have money. They are spending our money.

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u/eolithic_frustum Aug 07 '22

Do you happen to remember the name of the politician? I'd like to learn more about this.

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u/Own_Carrot_7040 Aug 07 '22

I believe it was this guy.

Two months before resigning as chair of the U.S. House Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the drug industry, Tauzin had played a key role in shepherding through Congress the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill.[7]
Democrats said that the bill was "a give-away to the drugmakers"
because it prohibited the government from negotiating lower drug prices
and bans the importation of identical, cheaper, drugs from Canada and
elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Tauzin

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u/ezioauditore00789 California Aug 07 '22

Many YouTubers and TOK’s will be mad that IRS is actually gonna investigate them for tax evasion

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u/_baundiesel_ Kentucky Aug 07 '22

This was a funny thing I noticed too. The whole freak out about actually fully staffing the IRS seems to be people showing their ass on how they've been cheating the system all along.

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u/catbenning North Carolina Aug 07 '22

Fully funding the IRS is huge. Dollar for dollar the easiest way to increase tax revenue. Pays for itself very quickly.

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u/suzisatsuma Aug 07 '22

Cool, time to hit up that IRS tip line.

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u/JacerEx Aug 07 '22

What's the process there? I'll drop a dime on my brother-in-law.

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u/ryumast3r Aug 08 '22

The more information you provide that leads to the IRS collecting taxes and penalties, the bigger a percentage of the collected taxes you get as a reward.

More information here: https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whistleblower-office

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u/sayyyywhat Arizona Aug 08 '22

Weird I also have a BIL who has been running a business for years and doesn’t pay taxes. But he’s also a catholic conservative who thinks everything is the liberalz fault.

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u/Mistheart Aug 07 '22

I can't believe it, but I'm so fucking happy about it.

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u/SnowDay111 Aug 07 '22

This is a done deal, right? Sorry, I just want to confirm.

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u/MonsteraAureaQueen Aug 07 '22

Yes. Done and dusted. It's going to sail through the House within days.

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u/gladfelter Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Schumer was asked about this in the press conference and he pointed out that with unanimity among such a diverse caucus it sets a tableau (his term iirc) that the house will surely follow.

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u/crackdup Aug 07 '22 Take My Energy

Seriously.. pessimists will say that this bill didn't go far enough or Biden didn't achieve enough in 2 years, but with such a narrow control of Congress.. ARP, BIF, gun control, PACT, CHIPS and now IRA has been nothing short of amazing..

After the 4 years of Trump admin and all the chaos and corruption that went with it, what Dems achieved has somewhat restored my faith in govt (though many concerns ofc still remain).. now time to elect more Dems and make progress on the key issues that fell by the wayside

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u/HeWhomLaughsLast Aug 07 '22

I am a pessimist, but I enjoy being proven wrong about our government.

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u/terrabattlebro Aug 07 '22

I’m not even American and I’m so fucking happy about it too. Biden is delivering. Imagine if he had two more cooperative senators. He might even be able to fix the Supreme Court shitshow.

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u/Own_Carrot_7040 Aug 07 '22

He only has the two Georgia ones because of Trump's temper tantrum when he lost the election.

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u/ftc559 Georgia Aug 07 '22

Don't count us out.

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u/wayoverpaid Illinois Aug 07 '22

Yeah Trump may have... helped... with his bullshit. But you guys showed up and voted. Nothing happens without your votes.

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u/VincentValkier Aug 07 '22

Cheers fellow Georgian. What a perfect time for us to turn blue.

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u/AntManMax New York Aug 07 '22

Exactly, if we survive the fascist takeover of the GOP, many "swing" states are going to be firmly blue for decades.

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u/Gasp32 Aug 07 '22

This is what i was hoping for when trump got elected, my silver lining so to speak. That he would be so bad that we collectively would swing left and maybe get some real shit done

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u/Adventurous-Editor-7 Aug 07 '22

Kansas went 60/40 pro choice. Get the people to the polls, the radicals lose every time

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u/BadSmash4 Aug 07 '22

If he had two more cooperative senators we might have actually gotten an even better deal, but this is a pretty dang good deal.

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u/marinesol Pennsylvania Aug 07 '22

Never let your dreams be memes. What a day for the Democratic party getting America back on track.

More needs to happen on Healthcare and Climate change but we're closer than we've ever been before to getting both done in the US

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u/whoisangryshoe Aug 07 '22

Keep on voting, keep on winning.

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u/tech57 Aug 07 '22 Silver

Alt title:

Democrat senators getting shit done despite Republican senators still sabotaging the functioning of the US government

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u/LouisCaravan Aug 07 '22

Right? "Senate approves." 50% of the Senate worked like adults to push forward positive, meaningful legislation for Americans, and the other half cried in the corner with their ice-cream.

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u/Goldyshi Aug 07 '22

Once again, thank you Georgia.

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u/sufficiently_tortuga Aug 07 '22

Seriously. 2020 was an important election and this is only part of why. Elections have consequences and every once in a while those consequences are good.

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u/Ent3rpris3 Aug 07 '22

I know everyone is always going on about "this is the most important election of your life" but I legitimately believe that 2016 - 2024 will be the most important elections of my lifetime and possibly even that of my parents or children.

If they AREN'T, I'm fucking scared!!

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u/sufficiently_tortuga Aug 07 '22

Unfortunately 2016 was definitely the most important. The impacts of that will be felt for a generation or more. But 2020- 2024 are the chance to recover.

If voters take them.

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u/Dilligafay Aug 07 '22

Unless those voters find a way to get rid of the illegitimate Supreme Court justices 2016’s repercussions will last 100+ years.

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u/LouisCaravan Aug 07 '22

Stacey Abrams is a national treasure.

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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 Aug 07 '22

Absolutely. I just hope GA will come out and make her governor this time before the Rs in GA turn the state completely backwards.

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u/Junior_Arino Aug 07 '22

We kind of did the first time

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u/MLJ9999 Aug 07 '22

Then going home and taking credit for all the good things even though they voted against them.

edit - That's how the GQP rolls.

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u/onethreeone Aug 07 '22

Is...is the government actually working lately? The past week or two has been unusually productive

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u/AndyBales Aug 07 '22

Depending on who you ask either Machin was a machievellian statesman all along, trying to bamboozle republicans; or he just had an epiphany.

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u/BrewerBeer I voted Aug 07 '22

I guarantee Manchin and Schumer have been negotiating behind closed doors over this for awhile.

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u/AndyBales Aug 07 '22

For sure but the speculation is about whether or not he pretended to oppose spending hikes so republicans would vote for CHIPS as a con, or if he actually just happened to change his mind afterwards.

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u/Chimpsworth Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

The timing seems too close to be a coincidence? They announced immediately after chips passed. Tbh I don't think Manchin was working with republicans before. I think he's just a stubborn asshole and was equally pissed when McConnell tried to strong arm him by threatening to kill a bipartisan bill as he was when (he felt) Democrats were strong arming him.

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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Aug 07 '22

And Republicans were openly complaining that they go okie-doke'd by Manchin. They were too pissed for this to be a moment of clarity by Manchin. He out-Republicaned them

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u/UGMadness Europe Aug 07 '22

This is how you survive in WV. By being more Republican than the Republicans themselves.

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u/UristMcRandom Aug 07 '22

... admittedly, accurate

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u/mrwho995 Great Britain Aug 07 '22

He opposed growing the deficit, and spending in such a way as to in his mind cause inflation. To his credit he was pretty consistent on that.

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u/Armano-Avalus Aug 08 '22

Thank God for those Georgia seats. A big climate bill wouldn't even be possible without Warnock and Ossoff so hats off to them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Big win for America makes GQP very sad.

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u/LargeSackOfNuts I voted Aug 07 '22

This alone is why we need everyone to vote.

I don’t even care if people vote for who is president. A fully functioning senate and congress would work wonders if it was loaded with progressive dems.

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u/stubept Aug 08 '22

They still probably fist-bumped when they got rid of the $35 insulin cap. So they at least can be happy that they get to keep fucking over millions of diabetics.

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u/turtlejizzus Aug 07 '22

Bring some popcorn to /r/Conservative. Unsalted since you’re gonna get a fair amount.

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u/AluBanidosu Aug 08 '22

Jesus had to scroll for so long and only one dude questioning why republicans blocked the insulin cap and everyone else complaint that the only thing this does is raise taxes

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u/The_Iceman2288 Aug 07 '22

Dark Brandon reigns supreme.

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u/SnooRadishes7630 Aug 07 '22

Once inflation comes down near the midterms, he needs to start printing some “I did that” stickers.

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u/dremscrep Aug 07 '22

That’s a weird thing that I had in the back of my mind for many months but never actually thought about. It looks like the inflation already peaked and things are starting to somewhat normalize but Biden has the luck of having a economic downturn happen around 6 Months before a election and not in the middle of it.

So it could look like things are improving when the midterms happen.

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u/Throwawaythewrap2 Aug 07 '22

Inflation is counted on a year over year basis so the possibility that prices are up July 2022 va July 2021 are high imo.

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u/victoriascissorhands Aug 08 '22

I've never heard Biden called this 🤣

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u/Scarlettail South Carolina Aug 07 '22

The climate measures are legit and huge. The health and tax measures are a bit meh now after all the cuts, better than nothing, but the climate spending is most important and is a great victory. I still don't know how this reduces inflation and I think the name is misleading, really should be known foremost as the first major climate victory domestically. Hopefully they get the campaign ads ready fast.

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u/insertwittynamethere Aug 07 '22

It definitely won't be a near term solution for inflation, but long term over the coming years in terms of both energy and healthcare costs it'll slow down, or negate, the rise in those costs. The part about Medicare negotiating prices for medicine also includes forcing pharmaceutical companies to pay back charging more than the pace of inflation for the drugs they'll be monitoring. Yet that does not begin immediately, but rather comes in by 2026 I believe. I have no earthly idea why they delayed it so long, but I assume it was to give pharma a grace period. If anyone really does complain about that, just remember the big picture that before today no major legislation has ever had a chance like this to allow for Medicare to do even that, and it was vociferously objected to by members of the only other dominant political party who wants the average voter not to vote in order to maintain their grip on the levers of power.

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u/ClutchReverie Aug 07 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

I'm getting my ass to the voting booth this November and if I don't see you there then I'm going to lose my shit. We need stronger majorities to be able to get more and better things like this passed, and if Republicans take back power, they are openly talking about breaking elections, voting, LGBT rights, women's rights, and god knows what else. In Florida if you are a college student you have to register your political beliefs with the state, what could go wrong with that?

I'm tired of hearing excuses and I never want to go back to anything resembling the Trump era. Just the lasting effects of Trump's Presidency alone are horrible enough and should be a reminder.

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u/chessant2014 New York Aug 08 '22

Exactly. Especially if you really wanted the stuff that was cut from the original BBB proposal:

  • expand Medicare to cover vision, hearing, dental
  • lower the Medicare eligibility age to 60
  • cap insulin costs at $35/month for everyone (not just Medicare)
  • remove the carried interest loophole that Sinema wouldn't let us remove
  • repeal the oil provisions that Manchin put in
  • reinstate the increased child tax credit and earned income tax credit
  • build millions of new affordable housing units, and modernize existing ones
  • pass universal child care, 4 weeks of paid family and medical leave, a $15/hr minimum wage, the PRO Act, etc.
  • as well as other really important priorities like the voting rights act and codifying rights that the Supreme Court is threatening to take away

then take this win now and let's make sure we hold the House and flip a few Senate seats so we can do even greater things in 2023.

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u/newtoreddir Aug 07 '22

You will Never see me in the voting booth… because I have always voted by mail.

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u/JinterIsComing Massachusetts Aug 07 '22

Screw you, I'm not voting.

... because I'd literally be breaking the law if I did (noncitizen) but I am still volunteering to help get the damn vote out come November!

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u/ClutchReverie Aug 07 '22

narrows eyes

Well you get a pass I guess….this time.

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u/joe2352 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22 Silver Take My Energy

Biden has done more in 2 years than Trump did in 4. All while having to constantly negotiate with Manchin and Sinema. Also trimming the national debt. Let’s go Brandon indeed.

Edit: Immediately after posting this I get a Reddit cares message. Get fucked republicans. We’re gonna make your life and future better regardless of how stupid you are.

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u/InsaneAss Aug 07 '22

There is a link in the Reddit Cares message to report it for being frivolous. Just saying.

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u/joe2352 Aug 07 '22

Thanks for pointing that out. Definitely going to report it because I literally only get those after posting something positive about democrats.

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u/sonofaresiii Aug 08 '22

Let’s go Brandon indeed.

Let's go brandon is gonna take the same path as thanks Obama, where it started out as a shitty sarcastic dig at the president and by the end his supporters took it back to say it genuinely.

I bet Biden even ends his term by filming a clip where he's looking in a mirror, puts on some sunglasses and says "let's go, Brandon"

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u/johnny_johnny_johnny Aug 07 '22

It has really only been a year and a half. And technically, Biden accomplished more than Trump already with the signing of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law in November 2021, just 10 months into his term.

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u/Mr_SlimShady Aug 07 '22

Anyone can accomplish more than Trump by simply not fucking up. He is into the negatives when it comes to accomplishing anything

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u/Terminal_Chill Aug 07 '22

If Biden wiped his ass correctly only on Wednesdays for one month, he’ll still have accomplished more than Trump did in his entire term.

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u/moutonbleu Aug 07 '22

Truly, Biden administration has been productive, just not loud about it… they need better PR

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u/BeardedHobbit Aug 07 '22

I'd love to see a Democrat crowd chanting "Let's go Brandon!" positively. Then watch all the fucking republicans trip over themselves to burn their stupid merchandise that they spent tons of money on.

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u/buffstuff Aug 07 '22

Great last sentence.

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u/Orangeisnotarace Aug 07 '22

Gonna start calling contractors once this is signed to get quotes to have my house converted over to electric heat pumps from oil radiators, and that 30% solar credit means is probably try to get panels up at the same time and probably swap the boiler out too. Would be a pretty insane expense otherwise but looking over the credits provided here we could probably save about 40k on costs and the rest would payoff in just a few years.

Great bill, it’s going to get a lot of people on renewable energy sources.

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u/UnluckyChemist2162 Aug 08 '22

Senate Republicans strip $35 insulin cap for individuals with private insurance from Democratic-led climate and health bill

This is sad as fuck. Are these people even human? They have no humanity in them at all

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u/Cantomic66 Aug 07 '22

The difference between Democrats holding a trifecta to Republicans is pretty stark.

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u/tacosandsunscreen Aug 07 '22

I keep reading this, and it’s true, but like…thank goodness they weren’t this effective or we’d all be really screwed by now.

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u/RedditSimps4Fascists Aug 07 '22

To be fair... I think a lot of the Republicans are still stuck in "obstruction mode" after 8 years of Obama, and forgot how to 'work'.

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u/bob-loblaw_law_blog Aug 07 '22

Not my first choice at all for President, but The Biden admin has been picking up some major wins lately. Probably won’t affect his approval rating much because everyone already seems so entrenched in their viewpoint of him at this point, but it’s great to see straight-up generational bills passed in healthcare, infrastructure, gun reform, and the environment all under his watch in the first two years. The democrats deserve to have a ton of momentum going into the midterms, but I’m just not sure unfortunately that this is the case.

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u/ForecastForFourCats Aug 07 '22

I am not sure anymore. People are extremely angry about Roe being overturned. I think it could push people to turn out to vote against Republicans.

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u/Tersaldi California Aug 08 '22

This. All my older “this is just posturing, Roe will never be overturned” conservative relatives are absolutely apoplectic.

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u/Steveb523 Aug 08 '22

Republicans are going to rue that “win”.

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u/poodlebutt76 Oregon Aug 08 '22

I am praying... Please dear baby jesus let the loss of Roe cause a blue wave the likes of which have never been seen! Please!!

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u/apeturtle Aug 07 '22

I don't understand why people blame Biden for anything at this point. Give him an actual majority where Manchin and Sinema are not that important, and Biden would have been the best president we have seen hands down.

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u/TheDrewDude Aug 07 '22

You gotta realize most people aren’t tuned into politics in any substantive way. They see prices go up, President man in white house, grr President man make prices go up. It’s really that simple. And stupid. People are very stupid.

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u/depressedturtle_ Aug 07 '22

Dark Brandon is rising.

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u/Majestic-Crawdad Aug 07 '22

Republicans just had to go to bat for big pharma and get that pesky insulin price control the fuck out first

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u/john_the_quain Kansas Aug 07 '22

Dem voters can find lots of things to criticize Schumer on, but him wrangling this to being passed with all of the mismatched agendas on his side of aisle is very impressive.

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u/OkRoll3915 Aug 07 '22

Biden’s approval better go way up after this, he's getting stuff done.

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u/somethingbreadbears Aug 07 '22

Now that gas is going down, I've noticed a lot less of those "I did that" stickers around town.

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u/ABurningHammer Aug 07 '22

I was putting Putin "i did that" stickers over them and people were tearing those off!

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u/xixi90 Washington Aug 07 '22

Biden has had one of the most productive first 19 months of any president over the last 50 years. Insane considering the state of politics in the US and the 50-50 Senate

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u/insertwittynamethere Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22 Silver

Honestly, though I may not support or be a fan of him in every way the ability of him, and the Democrats of Congress especially, as they deserve a lot for the heavy lifting of whipping their caucus with the slimmest of margins, he has overseen more transformative legislation in these past 9 months than the last two Presidents, especially in such a period of time.

Obama did do well, between the ARRA and the PPACA/Obamacare legislation, but Biden has seen a transformation, again, in healthcare, has seen a major CHIPs package pass to reinvest in semiconductor tech, has seen a bipartisan infrastructure bill passed that has eluded Presidents since at least 2010 if not earlier, has seen a huge and transformative COVID relief bill that tried a new policy of direct payments for those with children that saw childhood poverty drop by 40%, not to mention that Veteran's bill for burn pits and more that has been building up, and wanted, for at least a decade.

All that with a 50-50 Senate. No 50-50 Senate has lasted this long, much less passed this type of legislation. Not to mention, the U.S. House is controlled 220-210 with a need for 218 to pass legislation. It's been truly astounding to see something come along. And people may detest her, but no Speaker in recent memory has seen this much transformative legislation under their term, much less one who has won two nonsecutive terms as Speaker, much less the first woman to hold that office - 3rd in line to the Presidency. Speaker Pelosi still has her work cut out for her, including passing this bill next Friday, but she deserves more credit than she ever gets, especially coralling a big tent caucus like the Democrat Party found in the U.S. House.

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